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I Am An AI Hater

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Post by raxxorraxor »

jkingsman wrote: post #8

I appreciate seeing this point of view represented. It's not one I personally hold, but it is one a LOT of my friends hold, and I think it's important that it be given a voice, even if -- perhaps especially if -- a lot of people disagree with it. One of my friends sent me a delightful bastardization of the famous IBM quote: A COMPUTER CAN NEVER FEEL SPITEFUL OR [PASSIONATE†]. THEREFORE A COMPUTER MUST NEVER CREATE AR…

I love to employ AI but completely understand the criticism. It does increase my productivity as a software dev.

I also think the 10 hours of random electro swing or other genres of generated music is of extremely high quality. It isn't bland music, on the contrary it is playful and varied. Example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmUSK1IjoQg&list=RDLmUSK1Ijo...

It is entertaining and a viewing experience. And yet, I still doesn't feel the same if you know it is just generated by some carefully selected prompts. Sure, that itself is a creative endeavor, but I would have preferred for AI to clean my room for me instead of slowly replacing every creative venue from writing to art to music.

I continue to play music myself, but I will never reach a level AI is able to achieve in a few minutes. Sure, this example certainly took a while to create and the result is awesome. So what do we do with all the superfluous artists now?

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Post by Mallowram »

petralithic wrote: post #280
Mallowram wrote: post #17

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I don't understand this sentence. What is "operating the arbitrary?"

words, symbols, sentences, tokens, all are arbitrary. They stay arbitrary unless there is an irrefutable target like a tumor. This is the basis of CS

Re: I Am An AI Hater

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Post by Mallowram »

Shorel wrote: post #392
Mallowram wrote: post #16

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Humans understand language at a level no AI does. We use it to serialize ideas, and we have the ideas independent of language. AI works on the serialization itself, which is very powerful because of the relationships between ideas are reflected on statistics in the serialization, but it lacks all the understanding, and can't create new ideas with reasonable resources.

This is an idealized fantasy of language. Language is primarily about patriarchal dominance, control, status, mate-selection, topophilia, and secondarily about communicating ideas. The dark matter of language is expressed in mythological ideas like states, property, law, etc. People are starting to notice we can't solve very simple problems like climate extinction. How the primary forms in language are status oriented.

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Post by slipperydippery »

perching_aix wrote: post #121
jacquesm wrote: post #116

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That a human made it to express their feelings.

What do I care? Can't even tell what feelings are supposedly being expressed there.

To put this in very-online terms: this is a skill issue.

Your life will be richer if you learn to take more things in, and to appreciate them. And it may require actual learning! And practice!

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Post by _Algernon_ »

petralithic wrote: post #424
_Algernon_ wrote: post #386

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https://iea.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/mister-gotcha-...

I see this meme often but it's true, there's lots of options, not just one society that you cannot leave. Lots of countries on earth that one can move to, as people immigrate already.

Talk about missing the point…

Re: I Am An AI Hater

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Post by AlecSchueler »

petralithic wrote: post #288
tzumaoli wrote: post #248

It's interesting to see the trend of the attitude towards GenAI in Hacker News through out the years. This is totally vibe based and I don't have numbers to back it up, but back in 2022-2023, the site was dominantly people who mostly treat GenAI as a curious technology without too much attachment, and some non-trivial amount of folks who are very skeptical of the tech. More recently I see a lot more people who see th…

Curious technology? People were foaming at the mouth about "license concerns" when GitHub Copilot was first announced, saying they're going to boycott Microsoft. But just like all things, over time people realize they're not as good or bad as initially thought. I noticed this too with media generation, people on Twitter were very mad about it and now many of them use Photoshop's AI features.

Are you sure they're the same people?

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Post by AlecSchueler »

bonoboTP wrote: post #319
TeMPOraL wrote: post #291

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I don't pay much attention to the submission themselves, but I do care what the fellow HN-ers think, and my own "vibe-based" perspective is that the voices have been predominantly negative for many years now, and only grow even more so.

HN is usually negative, cynical, skeptical, eyerolling, regardless of topic. Just the other day someone posted the ImageNet 2012 thread ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4611830 ), which was basically the threshold moment that kickstarted deep learning for computer vision. Commenters claimed it doesn't prove anything, it's sensational, it's just one challenge with a few teams, etc. Then there is the famous comme…

My general rule is thumb now is that if HN takes the time to deride it then there's probably something to it, if it gets completely ignored then there's probably not.

Re: I Am An AI Hater

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Post by AlecSchueler »

dpoloncsak wrote: post #111

> Critics have already written thoroughly about the environmental harms, the reinforcement of bias and generation of racist output, the cognitive harms and AI supported suicides, the problems with consent and copyright... This paragraph really pisses me off and I'm not sure why. > Critics have already written thoroughly about the environmental harms Didn't google just prove there is little to no environmental harm, I…

> Didn't google just prove there is little to no environmental harm, INCLUDING if you account for training?

No, they showed that the environmental impact of using a smaller AI embedded on Google results uses less power to train and run than using something SOA. That's quite a different thing altogether.

> I don't ask a lot of race-based questions to my LLMS I guess

You don't need to ask explicit questions to receive answers where bias is implicitly stated. You've dismissed the argument out of hand without actually meeting it.

> I won't deny it's an issue but to act like it's being ignored by the industry is a miss completely.

The claim was that critics had been vocal about it, not that it had been ignored by the industry.

> I also grew up being told that ANYTHING on the internet was for the public, and copyright never stopped me from saving images or pirating movies.

Policing is always very patchy. You maybe broke the law and got away with it as an individual, that's common. The issue is that these huge businesses can do a level of copyright infringement, and do it on a for-profit basis, while smaller businesses would be eradicated for attempting the same thing, and the artists they're taking from would face similar issues if they attempted even a fraction of that level of plagiarism.

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Post by rsynnott »

tzumaoli wrote: post #248

It's interesting to see the trend of the attitude towards GenAI in Hacker News through out the years. This is totally vibe based and I don't have numbers to back it up, but back in 2022-2023, the site was dominantly people who mostly treat GenAI as a curious technology without too much attachment, and some non-trivial amount of folks who are very skeptical of the tech. More recently I see a lot more people who see th…

> More recently I see a lot more people who see themselves as evangelists and try very hard to boost/advocate the technology (see all the "LLM coding changes my life" posts).

It feels very much like the crypto bubble a few years back (the second, larger one, when we were informed that soon everything would be an NFT). This is actually one thing that puts me off AI; on top of a certain amount of scepticism about whether it is actually useful, the whole space feels very, very, _very_ grifter-y. In some cases it is literally the same people who were pushing NFTs a while back.

Re: I Am An AI Hater

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Post by rsynnott »

mierz00 wrote: post #426
LexiMax wrote: post #364

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If anything, it reminds me of crypto - lots of investment seemed to attract a lot of users to HN that I highly suspect had some sort of...let's just call it motivated reasoning.

This does not feel anything like crypto to me. Crypto always had hard to understand and abstract use cases. It became popular because the value was going up. LLMs are different. There are an endless amount of use cases that people can easily understand. Now, just how well it does things is debatable but there is a very clear value gain. Hell, I got it give me a list of recipes for the week based on my preferences and…

> Hell, I got it give me a list of recipes for the week based on my preferences and dietary needs then created a grocery list in 2 minutes.

I mean, er, yeah, but that's not a multi-trillion dollar industry, is the thing. "People find ChatGPT mildly useful" is not going to cut it, not at current levels of investment.

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