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Re: Framework Laptop 16

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That is really cool. One thing I have to ask though. Does the Framework have the same problem as other bottom intake fans that collect dust inside the fan?

Oh boy do they. I have a fw-13 and I think it is the biggest issue with this machine. Cleaning it is not trivial either, harder than most laptops in fact.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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That is really cool. One thing I have to ask though. Does the Framework have the same problem as other bottom intake fans that collect dust inside the fan?

It really depends on your usage environment, but one good thing is that its probably easier to clean the fans on a Framework Laptop than on most other laptops!

I found this to be the opposite of true. There is no easy way to clean the fan on the fw-13. You either need to take the mainboard out completely and disassemble the housing around the fan, or take the entire radiator off from the top and re-paste the cpu. I resorted to using a pick through the small gap on the top. I would say the fw-13 is the hardest to clean of any computer I've owned lately.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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If they designed their keyboard ergonomically, they wouldn't need numpad modules. But yes, can't please everyone, too many people with low standards easily pleasable

As someone who has been stuck with 13 inch laptops for years, and loves numpads, this is categorically false. With even a day of practice you will massively overtake your numerical typing speed with a numpad. If you have issues with it, you can try putting the numpad module on the left. Some people swear by it.

> categorically false. With even a day of practice you will massively overtake your numerical typing speed with a numpad.

Speaking of categorically false... How would you even know if you if you've been stuck with the default bad layout on 13 inch?

With a good layout your laptop would have keys laid out in a way that is even more comfortable than those of a standard standalone numpad (which ignores the difference in finger length), so your claim that worse layout is magically massively faster is just categorically implausible.

You're just likely confused because you compare numpad to the unergonomic horizontal 1234567890 number layer, but no, you'll have a bumps numpad layer at your fingertips, so count moving your hands right to a separate module and returning back left into typing speed as well...

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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To me, it’s a positive quality.

Universally? Even if it leads to decades of rsi-health-dangerously poor manufacturing quality?

Depends on the context, but generally yes. It’s not new, it’s called asceticism, frugality, many other names I guess.

Also, asking for more is very rarely a form of altruism: no one asks for more to avoid (others) “decades of rsi-health-dangerously poor manufacturing quality”, it’s generally for one’s own benefit, nothing more.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Universally? Even if it leads to decades of rsi-health-dangerously poor manufacturing quality?

Depends on the context, but generally yes. It’s not new, it’s called asceticism, frugality, many other names I guess. Also, asking for more is very rarely a form of altruism: no one asks for more to avoid (others) “decades of rsi-health-dangerously poor manufacturing quality”, it’s generally for one’s own benefit, nothing more.

Well, you know the context: it's bad keyboards that cause health issues. Asceticism etc doesn't fit, such a person wouldn't even buy this new premium laptop model. The altruism angle is also puzzling - is it bad to look after your own health or what?

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends on the context, but generally yes. It’s not new, it’s called asceticism, frugality, many other names I guess. Also, asking for more is very rarely a form of altruism: no one asks for more to avoid (others) “decades of rsi-health-dangerously poor manufacturing quality”, it’s generally for one’s own benefit, nothing more.

Well, you know the context: it's bad keyboards that cause health issues. Asceticism etc doesn't fit, such a person wouldn't even buy this new premium laptop model. The altruism angle is also puzzling - is it bad to look after your own health or what?

Ah, my mistake, you were talking about _your_ decades.

Well then, back to standard answer then: pick another laptop.

I really thought for a moment we were discussing the general crowd and why they should/could/must insist on ergonomic keyboards in general, but we misunderstood each other it seems.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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post #436

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, you know the context: it's bad keyboards that cause health issues. Asceticism etc doesn't fit, such a person wouldn't even buy this new premium laptop model. The altruism angle is also puzzling - is it bad to look after your own health or what?

Ah, my mistake, you were talking about _your_ decades. Well then, back to standard answer then: pick another laptop. I really thought for a moment we were discussing the general crowd and why they should/could/must insist on ergonomic keyboards in general, but we misunderstood each other it seems.

Nah, your mistake it much more basic - you confuse me with everyone or "is very rarely" with "never".

> back to standard answer then This is not an answer to any of the questions. But you're right, standards of conversations are just as bad as those of hardware manufacturers

> I really thought for a moment we were discussing the general crowd

I was, but then you've made up a world where no one cares about anyone else, so tried to wipe that reality off your conceptual map.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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As someone who has been stuck with 13 inch laptops for years, and loves numpads, this is categorically false. With even a day of practice you will massively overtake your numerical typing speed with a numpad. If you have issues with it, you can try putting the numpad module on the left. Some people swear by it.

> categorically false. With even a day of practice you will massively overtake your numerical typing speed with a numpad. Speaking of categorically false... How would you even know if you if you've been stuck with the default bad layout on 13 inch? With a good layout your laptop would have keys laid out in a way that is even more comfortable than those of a standard standalone numpad (which ignores the difference in…

I also own an external keyboard. Life dictates that I do most of my work outside of my home or office though so most of my typing gets done on the integrated keyboard. Also, are you talking about an ergo keyboard? That is an unreasonable critique, what laptop has an ergo keyboard? I don't use a numbpad when I need to write a single '2' mid sentence. I use it for stuff like ip addresses, that whole 5-8 region feels so awkward, and I hate sliding my hands that far up the palmrest.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah, my mistake, you were talking about _your_ decades. Well then, back to standard answer then: pick another laptop. I really thought for a moment we were discussing the general crowd and why they should/could/must insist on ergonomic keyboards in general, but we misunderstood each other it seems.

Nah, your mistake it much more basic - you confuse me with everyone or "is very rarely" with "never". > back to standard answer then This is not an answer to any of the questions. But you're right, standards of conversations are just as bad as those of hardware manufacturers > I really thought for a moment we were discussing the general crowd I was, but then you've made up a world where no one cares about anyone else…

I’m just not following you at all, sorry. Just pick another laptop if this one doesn’t fit your needs, instead of bashing it.
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