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From M1 MacBook to Arch Linux: A month-long experiment that became permanenent

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Re: From M1 MacBook to Arch Linux: A month-long experiment that became permanenent

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Interestingly, I really don't like MacBook trackpads. The actuation force is too high for my taste. Maybe this has changed.

That’s controlled entirely by software, and you can lower it or raise it if you so desire.

Oh! Well, either way, I'm not interested in Apple products because of their stances on repairability.

Re: From M1 MacBook to Arch Linux: A month-long experiment that became permanenent

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I would like to make the switch but I inherited a 7K Apple Studio monitor when my Dad died two years ago and I fear that I will never get full use of the monitor moving away from macOS. BTW, my favorite Linux machine is an about ten year old MacBook Air running Ubuntu. That slim little laptop is still amazing.

That is the monitor DHH uses with Framework laptop and Beelink miniPC.

Thanks!

Re: From M1 MacBook to Arch Linux: A month-long experiment that became permanenent

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My experience running multiple bloated Java JetBrains IDEs, Chrome with 50+ tabs, begs to differ.

Reread my comment. Yes, macOS (or ARM, here) wastes memory. For every 1KiB page you have, you're wasting 15KiB of memory. That's just how this works. It's a performance vs. efficiency tradeoff. And there's nothing special about your workload. It's small in comparison to many others that many other OSes on many other ISAs, including Windows & x86 w/ AWE, have been running for quite some time with no issue.

> For every 1KiB page you have, you're wasting 15KiB of memory.

Applications do not allocate memory through the kernel, though. There's a layer between the application code and the kernel, usually the libc or equivalent, that takes the page and fills it with smaller allocations. And most allocators out there usually request pretty big chunks at a time too, measured in megabytes/hundreds of pages.

So what you are saying might be technically true if you were to dispatch all mallocs to the kernel, it is not actually true in the real world.

Re: From M1 MacBook to Arch Linux: A month-long experiment that became permanenent

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It seems the ThinkBook 14 G7 ARP the uses chips like AMD Ryzen 7 7735HS, which have TDP of 35-54W and zen 3+ [1]. That would explain the fan noise and lack of battery life.

I'm think about going in the other direction, because my p14s (2023) screen is starting to feel too small for my old eyes and the battery life was never good. I think a Macbook Air upgraded to 32GB would provide enough speed, whilst having a better screen. There doesn't seem to be an X1-like Thinkpad that has a 15 or 16 inch screen that I can find. One problem is lenovo has so many product lines it takes in depth research to find what you're looking for. Has anyone tried newer AMD cpus in Thinkpads? My workflow is very linux oriented and my brain doesn't like the idea that I'll need to develop on mac and deploy to linux. That seems too risky to me and I don't need or want docker if I don't have to use it.

https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/laptop/ryzen/7000...

Re: From M1 MacBook to Arch Linux: A month-long experiment that became permanenent

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You really come off as a Hardcore Apple Fanboy > Its not only the Pros, no "high-end" laptop running Windows or Linux with just 8GB of RAM can perform better than a MacBook Air with 8GB Doesn't matter because for the equivalent price you can load up your non-Apple Machine with RAM to the Max, same with SSD Storage. With a MacBook you would need to prepare to cough up, up to 9k more than the base model for a huge SSD…

I use WebStorm, CLion, Cursor, 2-3 Claude Code instances, Chrome/Brave with 50+ tabs, Docker, and a bunch of other things on MacBook Air all at the same time. It works. Never freezes. Never crashes. I tried that on Windows recently, and now on Arch with a lot more memory (32), and it simply can't handle it. I reboot daily. Freezes in the middle of the work. It may be the issue with nvidia drivers as other pointed out…

My 10 year old ThinkPad can handle RStudio,PyCharms, VSCode with Copilot Agent and Firefox with 30+ Tabs open just fine on 32 GB RAM and Fedora.

Again, I don't think the issue here is Linux itself

Re: From M1 MacBook to Arch Linux: A month-long experiment that became permanenent

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Oh darn, I thought they'd gotten Arch running on an M1 but they actually switched to a ThinkBook. I somewhat regret my expensive switch from Linux to MacOS. MacOS is just so weird, it doesn't make any sense to me. For the first time in my life I feel like some tech-illiterate grandpa trying to figure out how to make his blasted computer do stuff.

> regret my expensive switch from Linux to MacOS. MacOS is just so weird, it doesn't make any sense to me.

When picking up macOS, two things really help:

1. Having some macOS techies in your circle (co-workers or friends) to whom you can fearlessly ask random newbie questions, since there's a good chance there's a way that works well, which you are not discovering, and one or more people in your Mac User Friends group will have a good suggestion. (Maybe an LLM or Reddit can solve this, but real people are good, too.)

2. Leaning into whatever the macOS way to do the thing is. Don't try to do it the Windows or Linux way. Fall into the Apple paradigm. Don't fight it.

Re: From M1 MacBook to Arch Linux: A month-long experiment that became permanenent

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Oh darn, I thought they'd gotten Arch running on an M1 but they actually switched to a ThinkBook. I somewhat regret my expensive switch from Linux to MacOS. MacOS is just so weird, it doesn't make any sense to me. For the first time in my life I feel like some tech-illiterate grandpa trying to figure out how to make his blasted computer do stuff.

> regret my expensive switch from Linux to MacOS. MacOS is just so weird, it doesn't make any sense to me. When picking up macOS, two things really help: 1. Having some macOS techies in your circle (co-workers or friends) to whom you can fearlessly ask random newbie questions, since there's a good chance there's a way that works well, which you are not discovering, and one or more people in your Mac User Friends grou…

The main problem I had was that apple is a really closed system. I'm not a one OS guy, i always need my stuff to work on windows, Linux, android etc. I don't even use iOS anymore because it's too limited.

Most of the things Apple offers in terms of cloud sync don't work on everything so it's a pretty but useless walled garden to me.

It's a shame because I was a long standing mac user. Because it was a good and fairly open Unix with a good UI. But since iOS became popular macOS has moved into a direction that didn't work for me anymore. They care more about locking users into their ecosystem now than anything else.

Re: From M1 MacBook to Arch Linux: A month-long experiment that became permanenent

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Oh darn, I thought they'd gotten Arch running on an M1 but they actually switched to a ThinkBook. I somewhat regret my expensive switch from Linux to MacOS. MacOS is just so weird, it doesn't make any sense to me. For the first time in my life I feel like some tech-illiterate grandpa trying to figure out how to make his blasted computer do stuff.

Same, I have a Mac at work and can suffer the horrible window management by just having more physical monitors (3 + the built in screen). I bought one for home use because I liked the hardware and the idea of running local llms. Long story short I'm still using my 6 year old Thinkpad running arch.

Yes but multi monitor in a Windows Centric office can also be troublesome because Apple continues to fail to support display port multi stream technology (MST) which means most docks will just give you one external display even if they have several. I've never understood why they're so bone-headed about this. It's not even a hard standard to support. It's just not invented here.

Only thunderbolt docks work properly but they cost a lot more so an office with 95% windows will not bother buying them.

I used to work on Mac management but the constant middle finger to enterprise needs got me to look for something else. For example, can you finally have apple federated IDs without having your email and UPN the same in the directory? This has been broken for years since they introduced federated IDs and I wouldn't be surprised if it's still broken.

Re: From M1 MacBook to Arch Linux: A month-long experiment that became permanenent

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As usual these kind of posts are from people mostly using Apple's hardware as pretty UNIX, and not really as developers into the Apple ecosystem, the Cult of Mac crowd. The same that fill FOSDEM corridors with MacBooks, despite the main purpose of the whole weekend, or at least how its roots were almost 30 years ago.

Yes I was one of those. But I've moved off Apple years ago because their UNIX got more and more delapidated and all their fancy cloud stuff was unusable to me for not working on all my OSes.

Every new release I'd tick off more and more features that were unusable to me, hated all the iOSification of a desktop OS, and hated the new hardware lockdowns. The actual new features I liked were few and far between. So I just gave up on Apple completely. I had already left iOS at that point because of its locked down nature (no alternative appstores mainly and no hardware support for OpenPGP cards over NFC)

Re: From M1 MacBook to Arch Linux: A month-long experiment that became permanenent

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Oh darn, I thought they'd gotten Arch running on an M1 but they actually switched to a ThinkBook. I somewhat regret my expensive switch from Linux to MacOS. MacOS is just so weird, it doesn't make any sense to me. For the first time in my life I feel like some tech-illiterate grandpa trying to figure out how to make his blasted computer do stuff.

Isn't that totally normal?

When I have to touch Android or Windows, I feel absolutely awful because I am used to MacOS and iOS.

Likewise, Android and Windows users will feel awful when having to use MacOS and iOS.

It's simply a matter of habit and experience.

Having used Windows and Android for 10+ years before switching to the Apple ecosystem, I can say with confidence though that MacOS is not weird at all. It makes far more sense than the insanity that is Windows/Android.

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