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Re: US reportedly forcing TSMC to buy 49% stake in Intel to secure tariff relief

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Post by chrisweekly »

SCUSKU wrote: post #333
dylan604 wrote: post #293

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> most information hostile environments in human history Is it though? East Germany comes to mind as well as the rest of the Cold War countries behind the Iron Curtain. China seems to be pretty hostile as well. In the US, it is still much easier to find real information that counters the propaganda than it is in any of those other countries. There's no Great Firewall to bypass. You don't even need to do anything anon…

What you're describing is an Orwellian dystopia, where a boot forces you to think a certain way. We live in a Huxleyan dystopia where there is so much so much to distract you that you become submissive.

Yes, this, precisely. Our increasingly dystopian present features a fair amount of Big Brother, but Brave New World's soma is what drives and enables it, along w/ aspects of Gilliam's "Brazil"....

There is also so much that's womderful and amazing and positive. No light w/out darkness, "no mud, no lotus", etc. -- which IMHO it's increasingly important to focus on, deliberately.

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Post by wat10000 »

dylan604 wrote: post #345
wat10000 wrote: post #330

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If you’re too busy to find out what tariffs are, fine. I get it. But then don’t have an opinion on the matter. Don’t vote for an absolute shithead because you think these things, which you’re too busy to find out about, will be great for the country.

Having an opinion is a constitutional right. You can't tell people not to have an opinion. That is stupid. People vote for many reasons while a lot of those vote on a single issue. If the person receiving their single issue vote means there's baggage to get their one hot button item then so be it. I voted for someone not for what they represented so much as it was a vote not for the other person. The person receiving…

To paraphrase Randall Munroe, “it’s not literally illegal to do this” is the weakest possible defense of something.

I sure as hell can tell people not to have an opinion. That is my constitutional right. If someone has strong beliefs about something and votes accordingly, and they don’t put in the effort needed to find out the basic facts about the matter, then they are stupid and that’s bad.

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Post by wat10000 »

presentation wrote: post #379
wat10000 wrote: post #348

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That’s not what I was saying. Obamacare and the ACA are the same thing . The ACA is the official name and Obamacare is an attempt at a derogatory nickname which became common. Hating one and liking the other is an inherently contradictory position. And yet it’s one a lot of people hold. That’s not a different point of view, that’s not having even the most basic understanding of the thing you have an opinion about.

That’s democracy though, everyone gets a vote, even if you’re a doofus.

Of course. I’m not saying they shouldn’t have a vote. I’m just saying they are in fact doofuses.

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Post by mindslight »

silverquiet wrote: post #161
duxup wrote: post #63

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"You're fired", was indeed his catchphrase for the farcical reality TV show he stared in portraying a competent business owner.

It's kind of ironic too, because repeated firings are really a symptom of poor management ability. But of course the crabbiest crabs in the crab bucket ascribe the failing to the other crabs, absolving management. Every facet of this child rapist is basically a litmus test for gullibility.

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Post by wat10000 »

djfobbz wrote: post #407
dylan604 wrote: post #341

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How is it not a different point of view to think that healthcare should be tied to one's employment as opposed to all people should have access to affordable healthcare? We can discuss if Obamacare achieved what it wanted to do as I believe it was not very successful, but it at its core is a different view point. Yes, people believing other countries pay the tariffs are clearly not understanding of how tariffs work.…

I disagree with your blanket assumption that consumers always pay for tariffs. In my experience working for a major garment importer, we kept retail prices the same even after tariffs were added. Why? Because competition from local brands forced us to absorb the cost ourselves. Sure, that's not how every industry works, but saying consumers always pay is an oversimplification. It really depends on the industry, prici…

Whether tariffs are paid by the consumer is a bit pointless. The incontrovertible fact is that tariffs are paid by someone in the importing country, whether the importing business or their customer or a middleman or some combination. These dingbats are out there thinking that these tariffs will be paid by China or Canada or whatever.

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Post by dylan604 »

lossolo wrote: post #402
dylan604 wrote: post #385

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I never said or meant to imply by not specifically saying something that the opposing view was unavailable back then. That's just willfully trying to twist the narrative to a purpose I don't know why it is necessary. But since we're here, we can compare/contrast. RFE/RL could broadcast whatever it wanted. If you received it and heard the contrary views from what official stance was, you can pretty much just accept it…

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Re: US reportedly forcing TSMC to buy 49% stake in Intel to secure tariff relief

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Post by dylan604 »

pests wrote: post #427
dylan604 wrote: post #345

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Having an opinion is a constitutional right. You can't tell people not to have an opinion. That is stupid. People vote for many reasons while a lot of those vote on a single issue. If the person receiving their single issue vote means there's baggage to get their one hot button item then so be it. I voted for someone not for what they represented so much as it was a vote not for the other person. The person receiving…

Who has a single issue and doesn’t understand that issue at all though?

Man, I really feel like people are deliberately obtuse in this thread. You can have a single issue while that issue is not tariffs, yet everyone is harping on you about why you voted for someone so in favor of tariffs. That's not why you voted for him. Just look at the polling. MAGA world is not a fan. That's the die hard base. Some of these people's single issue was Epstein and now they're really pissed. They know everything about their one single issue. You're the one that can't keep it straight

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Post by motorest »

dylan604 wrote: post #341
wat10000 wrote: post #327

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It’s not “a different point of view” to think that tariffs get paid by the other country. It’s not “a different point of view” to loathe Obamacare and like the ACA. It’s just ignorance. When the information is easily available, it’s willful ignorance. When they won’t obtain the information and they still hold strong opinions and vote accordingly, it’s at best stupidity.

How is it not a different point of view to think that healthcare should be tied to one's employment as opposed to all people should have access to affordable healthcare? We can discuss if Obamacare achieved what it wanted to do as I believe it was not very successful, but it at its core is a different view point. Yes, people believing other countries pay the tariffs are clearly not understanding of how tariffs work.…

> How is it not a different point of view to think that healthcare should be tied to one's employment as opposed to all people should have access to affordable healthcare?

Please explain how members of a low-income household would rationally and knowingly advocate to eliminate the only access to healthcare they can afford.

Then, if you are able to present a coherent argument, try to explain that in a stupidity vs diverse point of view, this stance is indeed not founded on stupidity.

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Post by wat10000 »

dylan604 wrote: post #437
pests wrote: post #427

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Who has a single issue and doesn’t understand that issue at all though?

Man, I really feel like people are deliberately obtuse in this thread. You can have a single issue while that issue is not tariffs, yet everyone is harping on you about why you voted for someone so in favor of tariffs. That's not why you voted for him. Just look at the polling. MAGA world is not a fan. That's the die hard base. Some of these people's single issue was Epstein and now they're really pissed. They know e…

Talk about deliberately obtuse! We’re not criticizing these people for voting for someone in favor of tariffs for other reasons. We’re criticizing them for voting for that person because they’re in favor of tariffs despite not knowing what tariffs actually are. Your response of “maybe people voted for other reasons” is completely missing the point here.

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Post by dylan604 »

wat10000 wrote: post #439
dylan604 wrote: post #437

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Man, I really feel like people are deliberately obtuse in this thread. You can have a single issue while that issue is not tariffs, yet everyone is harping on you about why you voted for someone so in favor of tariffs. That's not why you voted for him. Just look at the polling. MAGA world is not a fan. That's the die hard base. Some of these people's single issue was Epstein and now they're really pissed. They know e…

Talk about deliberately obtuse! We’re not criticizing these people for voting for someone in favor of tariffs for other reasons. We’re criticizing them for voting for that person because they’re in favor of tariffs despite not knowing what tariffs actually are. Your response of “maybe people voted for other reasons” is completely missing the point here.

The original post was painting anyone that voted for the current admin as stupid. The conversation also assumed that anyone that voted for POTUS did so because of tariffs. That's clearly not true. Are there people that voted for POTUS while also having no clue about tariffs, yes and this is not in dispute. What is in dispute is that anyone that voted for the cheeto-in-chief is automatically stupid. It helps to keep up with the thread. This assumption that everyone that voted opposite of how you did is automatically stupid is what is actually stupid.
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