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Post by geodel »

coldtea wrote: post #342
logifail wrote: post #273

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> when you are given the option to give a tip before any service has been given [...] why would I give a reward for good service Are there still customers giving tips as "a reward for good service"? I'm trying to imagine a curve representing the distribution of "quality of service". What shape is the curve, and where on it would a 20% tip and a 0% tip be?

> Are there still customers giving tips as "a reward for good service"? That's the only way people give tips here (not US tho)

Hehe, in here (US) tip for a bad hair cut in 15 dollars is 5 dollars. For better haircut maybe go for fancy salon if one is so particular about hairs.

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Post by gampleman »

logifail wrote: post #273
voidUpdate wrote: post #165

What confuses me most is when you are given the option to give a tip before any service has been given. On deliveroo, for example, I have the option to tip the driver while I'm at the checkout. Why would I give a reward for good service when I have no idea if the service is even good? There's already a rider fee as part of my bill, so it doesn't make any sense to me to give them more money at that point

> when you are given the option to give a tip before any service has been given [...] why would I give a reward for good service Are there still customers giving tips as "a reward for good service"? I'm trying to imagine a curve representing the distribution of "quality of service". What shape is the curve, and where on it would a 20% tip and a 0% tip be?

In my country the norm is for tips to be rounding based rather than percentage. So if your bill is 327.5, you would pay 350, effectively a "keep the change" sort of gesture.

I have certainly starred them in the eye and waited for them to ostentatiously count out every last penny when the service was truly abominable. It's a fairly effective way to give feedback.

You can also of course round up higher, so in the previous example for exceeding expectations you could round up to 400.

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Post by geodel »

walterbell wrote: post #302
logifail wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> when you are given the option to give a tip before any service has been given [...] why would I give a reward for good service Are there still customers giving tips as "a reward for good service"? I'm trying to imagine a curve representing the distribution of "quality of service". What shape is the curve, and where on it would a 20% tip and a 0% tip be?

> Are there still customers giving tips as "a reward for good service"? Are there customers giving tips for other reasons? Any examples?

Well I am giving tip because of fucking nag screen on payment terminal.

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Post by whartung »

flanked-evergl wrote: post #284
wat10000 wrote: post #263

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It means that you paying taxes on your pay is equivalent to your employer paying taxes on your pay. If you shift taxes to the employer, then they will reduce your pay accordingly.

Never ever once has an employer given me a pay raise when they got a tax cut or a pay cut when they got a tax hike. Taxes do not feature into salary negotiation. Employers pay as little as they can get away with, while employees want to get as much money as they can. If you need theoretical worlds with no correspondence to anything ever in actual history to justify your claim, then maybe there is not that much to it.

> Taxes do not feature into salary negotiation

The point is valid based on the context here, but taxes certainly feature in compensation.

Notably if you’re considering moving from a no/low tax locale to a higher one.

Two spectacular examples are the MLB contracts of Shohei Ohtani and Vladimir Guerrero.

Ohtani is getting paid very little ($2M/year) for his 10 years with the Dodgers, the vast majority is deferred to when after he leaves the team (and, notably, probably) California (likely back to Japan).

Vlad’s large contract is padded with a very large (like $175M I think) “signing bonus” to be paid over 10 years. The key point is that money will be earned “where he lives “, which is Florida, not where he plays (Toronto).

Both of these are structured to avoid local (high) tax jurisdictions.

But not just superstar athletes need to consider this. Anyone moving for work to a higher tax locale needs to consider that during salary negotiations.

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Post by NekkoDroid »

walterbell wrote: post #302
logifail wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> when you are given the option to give a tip before any service has been given [...] why would I give a reward for good service Are there still customers giving tips as "a reward for good service"? I'm trying to imagine a curve representing the distribution of "quality of service". What shape is the curve, and where on it would a 20% tip and a 0% tip be?

> Are there still customers giving tips as "a reward for good service"? Are there customers giving tips for other reasons? Any examples?

At least where I am from tipping is more done to round out the bill to a nice number.

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Post by account42 »

coldtea wrote: post #349
huvarda wrote: post #226

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In a Louis Rossmann video (i think it was the one on food delivery guys on e-bikes) he mentions never tipping in app but leaving a note that says he will give a cash tip if the driver brings the food straight to his door. That seems like a decent compromise as it doesn't let the app take a cut from the tip and makes so the driver actually goes the extra mile to 'deserve' the tip.

>* but leaving a note that says he will give a cash tip if the driver brings the food straight to his door.* Why, where else would they take the food? Leave in at the patio? Drop it on the lawn?

Some people live in multi-tenant buildings where "your door" is not the buildings entrance.

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Post by Der_Einzige »

thfuran wrote: post #362
caleblloyd wrote: post #341

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We may just get this, along with a $7.25 per hour base wage!

It's $2.13 for tipped employees.

The 2.13 tipped wage is a great way to know if you're in a "shithole" state or not. Only shithole states keep that.

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Post by taeric »

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #413
pc86 wrote: post #377

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What's crazy is that you can so confidently claim "tipping is a thing of the past" when it's... not? You can think tipping should go away, that's a completely valid viewpoint. But your statement is just objectively wrong. I see this a lot (not specific to HN) - some person doesn't like $THING, so they just declare that that thing is bad, or "a thing of the past," or whatever.

Saying something is a “thing of the past” is the same as saying that something is archaic and should go away. It’s not a declaration of fact.

Not distinguishing between "is" and "should be" explains a lot about why programmer types have trouble with requirements. :D

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Post by taeric »

aprilthird2021 wrote: post #369
jppope wrote: post #337

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Anyone who has worked in a restaurant or bar can provide plenty of observational data that if you provide better service you will be tipped better. I would recommend trying out working as a server/bartender you will understand tipping a lot better.

Why should we tip restaurant workers but not janitors or phone customer service reps? Why are they better than other types of service workers?

Phone reps, of course, have the difficulty of not being in physical contact with you. The others, though, my grandparents actually would tip house cleaners. Would get annoyed if we left out cash in the hotel, as "you should only do that if you are wanting the help staff to have it. And then, you should do it in an obvious way so that they don't feel like they are stealing." I distinctly remember them writing notes and leaving them with a tip on the desk.
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