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UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by deepsun »

alt227 wrote: post #355
deepsun wrote: post #292

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gag order cannot force them to lie. A lie like that can be illegal even. If there's a gag order, then companies say "we have a gag order". Like Google and Twitter did back in the day when asked. And then immediately started releasing Transparency Report to show how many of the gag orders they receive, so gov't couldn't say "we don't request anything". https://transparencyreport.google.com/user-data/overview

> Gag order cannot force them to lie. Yes it can, thats the whole point.

No, where did you get that?

They can "No comments" all the way, but there's no way to legally forcing a commercial company to lie. The company can lie, of course, but it's their choice, not an order.

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by floam »

phendrenad2 wrote: post #338
jjani wrote: post #102

> Apple did not respond to a request for comment. “We have never built a back door or master key to any of our products, and we never will,” Apple said in February. This must be some "technically correct" weasel words bullcrap, as without at least equivalent access there is no chance Apple would be operating in China.

Most likely the spokesperson just forgot about China. They're still a US country, after all, and US-centric thinking is the default.

In China they outsource that version of the iCloud services to a Chinese company hosted in China. The rest of the world is on Apple’s.

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by johnisgood »

Arch-TK wrote: post #233
tolien wrote: post #192

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[citation needed], your Economist article [0] quotes 30 a day (which would be > Under these laws, British police arrest more than 30 people a day for online posts, double the rate in 2017. Some are serious offenders, such as stalkers. How many of those 30 were for "online posts" (and of which nature - Lucy Connolly is a favourite example cited by the likes of Vance, but she was arrested for trying to stir up racial t…

Fortunately in the UK it is illegal to lie on the internet...

And I have mentioned the 2003 Communications Act.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44641764

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by weavejester »

tpm wrote: post #426
weavejester wrote: post #424

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You're using the word "class" in two different contexts here. The "class" in "upper class" is not the same as the "class" in "ruling class". This may seem pedantic, but when people say that the UK is a class-based society they're explicitly talking about the former. That's not to say there isn't overlap , but they're still two distinct sets. I'm not going to defend the actions of the UK government, but I will ask tha…

> I'm not going to defend the actions of the UK government, but I will ask that you give time for the courts to do their work before passing final judgement. In the case of the article you linked, for example, the man was arrested but not charged, and in the case of Palestine Action as a whole, there's an ongoing court case against the government's ban, which seems likely to succeed. Yes but the issue is already the…

That's fair. The government certainly shouldn't be acting like this, and if Slovakia is better in this area, then that's certainly something the UK should seek to emulate.

It may be that I'm conditioned to expect the Home Office to be authoritarian screw-ups that need to be babysat by the courts and principled backbenchers. But you're right that, ideally, the government shouldn't be doing this in the first place.

However, it seems to be the case that, even amongst conservatives, the view in the UK is that the government is infringing on free speech.

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Post by aspenmayer »

theturtletalks wrote: post #413
Synaesthesia wrote: post #339

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But iCloud is not fully encrypted by default.

Could you elaborate?

iCloud Advanced Data Protection (the feature that TFA is referring to) is required for E2EE, and it is not enabled by default.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICloud#Advanced_Data_Protectio...

> On December 7, 2022, Apple announced Advanced Data Protection for iCloud, an option to enable end-to-end encryption for almost all iCloud data including Backups, Notes, Photos, and more. The only data classes that are ineligible for Advanced Data Protection are Mail, Contacts, and Calendars, in order to preserve the ability to sync third-party clients with IMAP, CardDAV or CalDAV.

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Post by wkat4242 »

scarface_74 wrote: post #324
wkat4242 wrote: post #174

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Maybe not fully trusted but they were certainly fairly well aligned to our interests. Until trump obviously.

Again no Trump fan. But I’m glad that Trump policies have made at least the EU not to be so dependent on the US military itself and US military contractors. There is no private company monopoly including BigTech that I can’t extricate myself away from quite easily. It’s much harder to extricate yourself from the US influence on the world stage. Not that I’m not seriously looking at a Plan B outside of the US after I…

That dependence on the US was by design of the US however. With all the military assistance they provided they also bought influence (which they will lose now of course). This paid itself back in many ways, like the dollar being the world reserve currency, having bases all over the world, being free to invade countries like Iraq etc.

Personally I hope the EU works more on the nuclear umbrella. It was the US that didn't really want us to have much of our own to establish dependency on them, but now that the US has become an unreliable partner we'll have to. France and perhaps the UK will have to scale theirs up. It's the only thing where we really need the US militarily, as any regular military is not sufficient to deter enemies like Russia and China, no matter how much we have.

But Big Tech is very hard to cut until the EU clouds step up a lot more. Maybe not for you yourself personally but for industry.

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Post by atmosx »

scarface_74 wrote: post #319
atmosx wrote: post #245

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Did this approach ever actually work out in the history of humanity? Like, we're fine with massive corporations spying on us because otherwise the Chinese/Russian/Aliens might? In the name of protecting freedom, we're violating it ourselves and we brag about it?

Facebook offered its services in the EU to people without any tracking if you paid for the service. The Eu didn’t like that either.

… is there a point you’re trying to make?

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Post by ThrowawayTestr »

aydyn wrote: post #422
slavik81 wrote: post #389

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No, but the films made a billion dollars in box office revenues. I know of Alan Moore's V for Vandetta because of the blockbuster movie.

Ive seen one of those movies and didnt know any of them were from books. You realize capeshit is for children and being overly inured to the silver screen is for basement dwellers, right? Right...?

You're not cool because you don't watch popular things
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