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Coding with LLMs in the summer of 2025 – an update

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Re: Coding with LLMs in the summer of 2025 – an update

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The issue with launching a search engine company is probably mind share more than anything else. Once Google was a verb, it was pretty locked in. Even so, there are alternatives that some people use and find superior, like Kagi and DDG. Now you're seeing a lot of people who just use ChatGPT instead of google for their searches. For AI, I think that ship has sailed already. OpenAI is the closest to dominance, but not…

Good points, that makes sense. Comparing to AWS etc seems better. At the same time, an AI that stays up to date with world events and everything new that happens, would in a way have to be both a compute platform + a search engine combined? (To find and train on "everything new".) But most wouldn't need such an AI (RAG is usually good enough, right), for example not needed software development. Maybe for a limited ti…

NVidia is the exception in this space. They legitimately found the free money printer. Everyone has to buy from them for now. Meanwhile most of the AI software players aren't turning a profit yet.

It's all been priced in though.

Re: Coding with LLMs in the summer of 2025 – an update

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post #220

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+1, I use exclusively free tools for this exact reason. I've been using the same tools for 15 years now (GCC + IDE), and they work great There is a 0% chance that I'm going to subscribe to being able to program, because its actively a terrible idea. You have to be very naïve to think that any of these companies are still going to be around and supporting your tools in 10-20 years time, so if you get proficient with t…

A lot of people's problems with Git would go away if they just took a weekend and "read the docs." It's shocking how resistant most people are to the idea of studying to improve their craft. I've been spending time with my team, just a few hours a week, on training them on foundational things, vs every other team in the company just plodding along, trying to do things the same way they always have, which already wasn…

This is a reply to an old comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44452679 (since I cannot reply in the original thread)

> Even assuming python's foreach loop in these cases get optimized down to a very bare for loop, the operations being performed are dominated by the looping logic itself, because the loop body is so simple.

> Each iteration of a for loop performs one index update and one termination comparison. For a simple body that is just an XOR, that's the difference between performing 5 operations (update, exit check, read array, XOR with value, XOR with index) per N elements in the one loop case versus 7 operations (update, exit, read array, XOR with value, then update, exit, XOR with index) in the two loop case. So we're looking at a 29% savings in operations.

> It gets worse if the looping structure does not optimize to a raw, most basic for loop and instead constructs some kind of lazy collection iterator generalized for all kinds of collections it could iterate over.

> The smaller the loop body, the higher the gains from optimizing the looping construct itself.

Let's test your claims

  import random
  import time
  n = int(1e7)
  A = list(range(1,n+1))
  random.shuffle(A)
  print("Removed:", A.pop())

  t = time.time()
  result = 0
  for idx,val in enumerate(A):
    result ^= idx+1
    result ^= val
  result ^= n
  print("1-loop:", time.time() - t)
  print("Missing:", result)

  t = time.time()
  result = 0
  for value in range(1, n + 1):
    result ^= value
  for value in A:
    result ^= value
  print("2-loop:", time.time() - t)
  print("Missing:", result)
A sample run gives:

  Removed: 2878763
  1-loop: 1.4764018058776855
  Missing: 2878763
  2-loop: 1.1730067729949951
  Missing: 2878763
And after swapping the order of the code blocks just to ensure there's nothing strange going on:

  Removed: 3217501
  2-loop: 1.200080156326294
  Missing: 3217501
  1-loop: 1.5053350925445557
  Missing: 3217501
So indeed we have about a 20% speedup, only in the complete opposite direction that you claimed we'd have. Perhaps it's best not to assume when talking about performance.

Re: Coding with LLMs in the summer of 2025 – an update

#434

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of people's problems with Git would go away if they just took a weekend and "read the docs." It's shocking how resistant most people are to the idea of studying to improve their craft. I've been spending time with my team, just a few hours a week, on training them on foundational things, vs every other team in the company just plodding along, trying to do things the same way they always have, which already wasn…

This is a reply to an old comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44452679 (since I cannot reply in the original thread) > Even assuming python's foreach loop in these cases get optimized down to a very bare for loop, the operations being performed are dominated by the looping logic itself, because the loop body is so simple. > Each iteration of a for loop performs one index update and one termination comparison…

I think all you have managed to prove is A) Python is absurd, and B) you need to learn about appropriate boundaries and when to drop something.

This conversation was a lifetime ago. You couldn't reply to the original thread for a reason.

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