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Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by FredPret »

npteljes wrote: post #332
darkoob12 wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not a gamer and don't why AMD GPUs aren't good enough. It's weird since both Xbox and PlayStation are using AMD GPUs. I guess there games that you can only play on PC with Nvidia graphics. That begs the question why someone create a game and ignore large console market.

What I experienced is that AI is a nightmare on AMD in Linux. There is a myriad of custom things that one needs to do, and even that just breaks after a while. Happened so much on my current setup (6600 XT) that I don't bother with local AI anymore, because the time investment is just not worth it. It's not that I can't live like this, I still have the same card, but if I were looking to do anything AI locally with a…

I set up a deep learning station probably 5-10 years ago and ran into the exact same issue. After a week of pulling out my hair, I just bought an Nvidia card.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by blibble »

tyre wrote: post #418
cbarrick wrote: post #415

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+1. "Nvidia won, we all lost" sets a very different tone than "NVIDIA is full of shit". It's clearly not the tone the author intended to set. Even more concerning is that, by editorializing the title of an article that is (in part) about how Nvidia uses their market dominance to pressure reviewers and control the narrative, we must question whether or not the mod team is complicit in this effort. Is team green afraid…

Okay let’s take off the tin foil hat for a second. HN has a very strong moderation team with years and years of history letting awkward (e.g. criticism of YC, YC companies) things stand.

> HN has a very strong moderation team with years and years of history letting awkward (e.g. criticism of YC, YC companies) things stand.

the attempt to steer direction is well hidden, but it is very much there

with https://hnrankings.info/ you can see the correction applied, in real time

the hidden bits applied to dissenting accounts? far less visible

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by temptemptemp111 »

tyre wrote: post #418
cbarrick wrote: post #415

Earlier quoted context omitted.

+1. "Nvidia won, we all lost" sets a very different tone than "NVIDIA is full of shit". It's clearly not the tone the author intended to set. Even more concerning is that, by editorializing the title of an article that is (in part) about how Nvidia uses their market dominance to pressure reviewers and control the narrative, we must question whether or not the mod team is complicit in this effort. Is team green afraid…

Okay let’s take off the tin foil hat for a second. HN has a very strong moderation team with years and years of history letting awkward (e.g. criticism of YC, YC companies) things stand.

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Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by toxik »

cbarrick wrote: post #424
tyre wrote: post #418

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay let’s take off the tin foil hat for a second. HN has a very strong moderation team with years and years of history letting awkward (e.g. criticism of YC, YC companies) things stand.

I said what I said above not as a genuinely held belief (I doubt Nvidia had any involvement in this editorialization), but as a rhetorical effect. There are many reasons why the editorialized-title rule exists. One of the most important reasons is so that we can trust HN as an unbiased news aggregator. Given the content of the article, this particular instance of editorialization is pretty egregious and trust breakin…

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Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by debesyla »

Mistletoe wrote: post #417
dagaci wrote: post #403

Jenson has managed to kneel into every market boom in a reasonable amount of time with his GPUs and tech (hardware and software). No doubt he will be there when the next boom kicks off too. Microsoft fails consistently ... even when offered a lead on the plate... it fails, but these failures are eventually corrected for by the momentum of its massive business units. Apple is just very very late... but this failure ca…

What is the next boom? I honestly can’t think of one. Feels like we are just at the Age of the Plateau, which will be quite painful for markets and the world.

As all the previous booms - hard to predict before it happens. And if we do predict, high chances are that we will miss.

My personal guess is something in the medical field, because surely all the AI search tools could help to detect common items in all the medical data. Maybe more of ozempyc, maybe for some other health issue. (Of course, who knows. Maybe it turns out that the next boom is going to be in figuring out ways to make things go boom. I hope not.)

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by tekla »

dwattttt wrote: post #95
rcxdude wrote: post #93

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'control system' in this case is not implying remote control, it's referring to the feedback system that adjust the actuators in response to the sensed information. If the motion is controlled automatically, then the control loop can in principle anticipate the motion in a way that it could not if it was remote controlled: i.e. the opposite, it's easier to control the motions (in terms of maintaining balance and avoi…

Apologies, yes, "control system" is somewhat niche jargon. "Balance system" is probably more appropriate.

> "control system" is somewhat niche jargon

Oh my god. What the hell is happening to STEM education? Control systems engineering is standard parlance. This is what Com Sci people are like?

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by keyringlight »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #406
darkoob12 wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not a gamer and don't why AMD GPUs aren't good enough. It's weird since both Xbox and PlayStation are using AMD GPUs. I guess there games that you can only play on PC with Nvidia graphics. That begs the question why someone create a game and ignore large console market.

AMD GPU's are fine, but nvidia's marketing (overt and covert / word-of-mouth) is better. "RTX On" is a meme where people get convinced the graphics are over 9000x "better"; it's a meaningless marketing expression but a naive generation of fairly new PC gamers are eating it up. And... they don't need to. Most of the most played video games on PC are all years old [0]. They're online multiplayer games that are optimize…

One thing I wonder about is whether PC gaming is splitting into two distinct tiers, high end for those with thousands to spend on their rig and studios who are pathfinders (id, Remedy, 4A, etc) in graphics, then the wider market for cheaper/older systems and studios going for broad appeal. I know the market isn't going to be neatly divided and more of a blurry ugly continuum.

The past few years (2018 with the introduction of RT and upscaling reconstruction seems as good a milestone as any) feel like a transition period we're not out of yet, similar to the tail end of the DX9/Playstation3/Xbox360 era when some studios were moving to 64bit and DX11 as optional modes, almost like PC was their prototyping platform for when they made completed the jump with PS4/Xbox one and more mature PC implementations. It wouldn't surprise me if it takes more years and titles built targeting the next generation consoles before it's all settled.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by xeromal »

Mistletoe wrote: post #417
dagaci wrote: post #403

Jenson has managed to kneel into every market boom in a reasonable amount of time with his GPUs and tech (hardware and software). No doubt he will be there when the next boom kicks off too. Microsoft fails consistently ... even when offered a lead on the plate... it fails, but these failures are eventually corrected for by the momentum of its massive business units. Apple is just very very late... but this failure ca…

What is the next boom? I honestly can’t think of one. Feels like we are just at the Age of the Plateau, which will be quite painful for markets and the world.

It's just because we can't know what the next boom is until it hits us in the face except for a tiny population of humans that effect those changes

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by johnklos »

dofubej wrote: post #32

> With over 90% of the PC market running on NVIDIA tech, they’re the clear winner of the GPU race. The losers are every single one of us. Of course the fact that we overwhelmingly chose the better option means that… we are worse off or something?

Many of you chose Windows, so, well, yes.
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