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Re: Websites hosting major US climate reports taken down

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Post by crackrook »

lrvick wrote: post #407
archildress wrote: post #17

I just feel extremely sad about the mass quantity of events like this happening right now because they are all aggregate to huge negative effects but the average person knows nothing of it. It feels so unfixable.

It is fixable, but we are going to have to wait until the mid-terms to slow down the insanity, so in 3 years we can roll it back and start the cycle over again, as is tradition.

I believe the false perception that geopolitics are cyclical is a major contributor to the political apathy that allows clowns to get elected, or it seems strongly correlated, at least. Some doors can't be shut, once opened, and the current administration opens every door without a thought of what could be behind it. Maybe better people get elected next cycle, but they won't be able to rebuild everything.

I hope people recognize that their tax dollars aren't the only dollars that can evoke change; we don't have to wait our turn to start fixing things.

Re: Websites hosting major US climate reports taken down

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Post by lrvick »

crackrook wrote: post #431
lrvick wrote: post #407

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is fixable, but we are going to have to wait until the mid-terms to slow down the insanity, so in 3 years we can roll it back and start the cycle over again, as is tradition.

I believe the false perception that geopolitics are cyclical is a major contributor to the political apathy that allows clowns to get elected, or it seems strongly correlated, at least. Some doors can't be shut, once opened, and the current administration opens every door without a thought of what could be behind it. Maybe better people get elected next cycle, but they won't be able to rebuild everything. I hope peop…

It is not entirely cyclical. We always have these one-step-back phases of the old guard clinging to power, then we make big steps forward again.

Black people are not slaves anymore, women can vote, gays can marry, weed is mostly legal, etc. It takes longer than anyone wants it to, but we always get upgrades that stick in the progress phases of the cycle.

This time the steps backwards are bigger than usual, so in 3 years there will be a lot more will to take even bigger steps forwards and progressives need to be ready to move fast when it is their turn again.

Mamdani is a preview.

Re: Websites hosting major US climate reports taken down

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Post by jahsome »

timr wrote: post #425
jahsome wrote: post #368

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Your still lying. Saying you didn't say something which you very much did, and then claiming you said something completely different are forms of lying. It's not the opposition to propaganda folks bristle with, it's the self-important passive aggressive elitism.

> I said a movie was bad because I don’t enjoy being lectured about science by actors, many (if not most) of whom have only the most tenuous grasp of science. I wasn’t being “disingenuous”. I meant every word. I not only said it, I repeated it , and then re-confirmed that I meant what I originally said.

You asserted without evidence they "probably mostly" failed. Thats a very different statement than your "tenous grasp" claim. If you're going to make sweeping generalizations, don't be a coward about it.

What's worse, you claimed you didn't make any assumptions, which you very clearly did -- that the writers and performers were uneducated, when in fact they are.

Then when presented with evidence, you doubled down and even still continue to gaslight, hence: disengenous.

Uneducated folks can still make correct assertions, and that's the entire point of science. The idea and supporting observations are meant to drive the conversation, not one's laughably judgemental opinion of the person presenting them.

That's a concept with which you, being so educated, are undoubtedly familiar.

Re: Websites hosting major US climate reports taken down

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Post by 0xDEAFBEAD »

mrtksn wrote: post #296
jordanb wrote: post #291

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"End of Europe" as a coherent entity that's willing and able to look after its own interests. Even as Ukrainians die in the meat grinder and Germany is lauded as Ukraine's best friend in Europe, millions of dollars of dual-use technology products from Germany continue to transship into Russia via Kazakhstan. Imagine if it was 1942 and Britain was still shipping millions of dollars of weapons components into Germany v…

Europe is far from coherent, even if it is the most coherent that ever has been. Meanwhile, support rate for EU and Eurozone is highest ever among EU member states and Europe as a whole. If anything, people are annoyed that EU struggles to be decisive as Europeans want more EU, not less. This new situation even paved the way for collaboration previously thought to be far fetched dream. I don't know how all this will…

>If anything, people are annoyed that EU struggles to be decisive as Europeans want more EU, not less.

Here's an idea... how about a "United States of Europe"... could even have an "electoral college" where Europeans come together to elect a decisive "President" type leader... ;-)

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Post by Hnrobert42 »

zmgsabst wrote: post #255
Hnrobert42 wrote: post #234

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I'm not sure that's a fair argument. When social media takes down what it perceives as misinformation, the right uses the sunshine argument. "Leave it up and let the best argument win." In any event, just because you don't like the conclusion doesn't mean it is biased.

I was just pointing out the incorrect logic of the comment: If you believe they’re biased, removing them is removing false legitimacy from biased content — something the government has an interest in. And no different than a journal retracting a flawed paper. And since you want to discuss “fair argument”: there’s an obvious difference between allowing discourse on a public forum and publishing as an institution.

Yeah. I thought about that difference (inst vs SM), but I figured it was cancelled out by the fact that scientific research is way more rigorous than a tweet no matter how you slice it.

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Post by pstuart »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #430
pstuart wrote: post #420

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> paying people to have kids is the wrong incentive I absolutely agree. Childcare is horribly expensive and just easing the burden of that would make parenting far more palatable to those who would otherwise be good parents.

Even the Scandinavian countries with world’s most generous childcare subsidies are nowhere near a replacement total fertility rate (~2.1). Expecting other societies less egalitarian and less rich than them is pie in the sky thinking.

My point is that this is a problem that can be solved, the only thing stopping us is us.

As this thread happening in a post about machinations by the current regime, the likelihood of it being solved (let alone correctly) borders on near impossible. The only thing that they'll do that will affect this is take away reproductive rights and that will lead to more unplanned births.

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Post by cosmicgadget »

userbinator wrote: post #427
cosmicgadget wrote: post #165

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Do I need to explain the word 'progeny'? Your assumptions about my voting are as well-evidenced as your skepticism of science.

When doomsday predictions have not held true for decades, it's nothing but FUD to scare the population into increasingly authoritarian control. You should always be skeptical of science. That's why it's science and not religion. I thought we all learned that lesson in 2020.

Science was the original skepticism, my friend. You aren't smarter than the scientific community no matter how much you want to believe it.

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Post by gspetr »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #176
EasyMark wrote: post #149

It's a real shame but at least there other nations still doing this work like China and various Euro countries. Sad to see the USA transition to a banana republic. This belief that MAGA party has that the US can't do big things any longer and only corporations and broligarchs know how to lead us forward is just sad.

> This belief that MAGA party has that the US can't do big things any longer and only corporations and broligarchs know how to lead us forward is just sad. Especially given the Musk/DOGE recent experience. Musk takes over Twitter, fires 40% of the workforce, and nothing much happens. Musk takes over the US Govt, fires From this we should conclude, obviously, that the government is run much, much more efficiently and…

I know of a software billionaire[0] who opened a pizzeria and failed. He said so himself.

Should we conclude, obviously, that any break even pizzeria owner is a better businessman than tech billionaires?

[0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxAwUb86MUE

Re: Websites hosting major US climate reports taken down

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Post by lotsofpulp »

pstuart wrote: post #436
lotsofpulp wrote: post #430

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even the Scandinavian countries with world’s most generous childcare subsidies are nowhere near a replacement total fertility rate (~2.1). Expecting other societies less egalitarian and less rich than them is pie in the sky thinking.

My point is that this is a problem that can be solved, the only thing stopping us is us. As this thread happening in a post about machinations by the current regime, the likelihood of it being solved (let alone correctly) borders on near impossible. The only thing that they'll do that will affect this is take away reproductive rights and that will lead to more unplanned births.

My point is that it's easy to say it can be solved, but I have yet to see any evidence of how (absent removing or reducing women's rights).

Solved meaning achieving replacement rate total fertility rate, not just people having the amount of kids they say they want.

Re: Websites hosting major US climate reports taken down

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Post by mikrotikker »

nektro wrote: post #73

i think what contributes the most to my sense of dread is the feeling that if you were to tell these decision makers in govt right now "but this'll kill people!" they'd respond "good"

I guess they're looking at that $20 trillion in debt and saying "if we want to survive war with china we need to cut the fat and pour everything into war r&d, if we survive the war we can think about climate change again". That's my most optimistic interpretation of it.
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