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Xfinity using WiFi signals in your house to detect motion

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Re: Xfinity using WiFi signals in your house to detect motion

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Post by boston_clone »

margalabargala wrote: post #427
boston_clone wrote: post #410

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Idk what you’re even defending with that article, but that’s your cross to bear. Mimicking my speech pattern then trying to say I’m being the ass is not going to hold up, however. Elsewhere I posted that I used to work in this space and have first-hand knowledge that the majority of people do not use third party modems. That is a fact. Just because people can go out and purchase a new modem and then additional wifi g…

I said you were being the ass because you called me a "shillbot". You edited your comment to delete that, so I'll also retract my calling you an ass. I agree with basically everything else you said.

appreciate you and sorry for hitting you with some crossfire that was intended for Comcast and Comcast only

Re: Xfinity using WiFi signals in your house to detect motion

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Post by sleepybrett »

armchairhacker wrote: post #103
josho wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The solution here shouldn't be technical; it should be legal. If we rely on the technical path, Comcast can achieve the same by how many active IPv6 addresses are in use. Even if you aren't using your phone, the device is going to be constantly pinging services like email, and your ISP can use that to piece together how many people are at home. If we rely on legal protection, then not only Comcast, but all ISPs will…

> The solution here shouldn't be technical; it should be legal. I disagree. Solutions should be technical whenever possible, because in practice, laws tend to be abused and/or not enforced. Laws also need resources and cooperation to be enforced, and some laws are hard to enforce without creating backdoors or compromising other rights. "ISPs will be prohibited from spying on their customers" doesn't mean ISPs won't s…

When we find them spying on customers they will take it all the way to the supreme court where the definition of spying will be put the wringer and flushed of all actual meaning. Then the law will be struck because it violates the corporation's 1st amendment protections concerning 'free speech'. See also Citizen's United.

Re: Xfinity using WiFi signals in your house to detect motion

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Post by sleepybrett »

giantg2 wrote: post #219
newshackr wrote: post #206

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They can still deduce this from the traffic patterns.

They can map your home and motion with traffic patterns?

Good luck to them for those of us who have set up a tailscale exit node in our network and use it whenever they are 'roaming'.

Re: Xfinity using WiFi signals in your house to detect motion

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Post by sleepybrett »

lrvick wrote: post #306
cortesoft wrote: post #246

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I did that, and then a few years later they no longer supported that version. I gave up and used the provided modem.... guess I could put it in a faraday cage to prevent the WiFi from being enabled...

Or just cut the power trace to the wifi chipset.

or ground the antenna, or put the thing in a cage. The cables (which must escape the cage) will make the cage less effective but I imagine it would be enough.

Re: Xfinity using WiFi signals in your house to detect motion

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Post by sleepybrett »

al_borland wrote: post #182
jacobgkau wrote: post #2

> Subject to applicable law, Comcast may disclose information generated by your WiFi Motion to third parties without further notice to you in connection with any law enforcement investigation or proceeding, any dispute to which Comcast is a party, or pursuant to a court order or subpoena. Sounds like, at least in some limited circumstances (using the provided WiFi AP, having this feature turned on, etc), ISPs are goi…

“Comcast does not monitor the motion and/or notifications generated by the service.” Sounds like the above claim amounts to nothing more than, “trust me bro.” Or, rather, that that nothing stops them from monitoring it, other than the cost, as they haven’t monetized it yet.

They don't MONITOR it, but they do log and store it all for years and years and will turn it over or sell it to anyone who asks.

Re: Xfinity using WiFi signals in your house to detect motion

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Post by kjkjadksj »

jacobgkau wrote: post #2

> Subject to applicable law, Comcast may disclose information generated by your WiFi Motion to third parties without further notice to you in connection with any law enforcement investigation or proceeding, any dispute to which Comcast is a party, or pursuant to a court order or subpoena. Sounds like, at least in some limited circumstances (using the provided WiFi AP, having this feature turned on, etc), ISPs are goi…

Couldn’t you do this already? I have an electric meter on the side of my building with a public facing display of kwh usage. The water company has a similar hookup for measuring flow. Both could be used to determine occupancy in theory.

Re: Xfinity using WiFi signals in your house to detect motion

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Post by kjkjadksj »

gloosx wrote: post #352
jacobgkau wrote: post #2

> Subject to applicable law, Comcast may disclose information generated by your WiFi Motion to third parties without further notice to you in connection with any law enforcement investigation or proceeding, any dispute to which Comcast is a party, or pursuant to a court order or subpoena. Sounds like, at least in some limited circumstances (using the provided WiFi AP, having this feature turned on, etc), ISPs are goi…

Law enforcement could tell whether you're home at certain time or not for decades before WiFI Motion. However with WiFi motion, if you're in some kind of a big building, like a hotel or huge office building, they will be able to tell exactly the room number and spot you're occupying.

They could also do that with the surveillance feeds and actually confirm its you and not the night custodian.

Re: Xfinity using WiFi signals in your house to detect motion

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Post by jklinger410 »

linsomniac wrote: post #57
jklinger410 wrote: post #26

I had a conspiracy theorist tell me one time this is why they removed all the lead paint. It never quite made sense that kids were actually eating lead chips. I know lead is bad for you, maybe a coincidence.

>It never quite made sense that kids were actually eating lead chips You know that lead tastes sweet, right?

I did not! I've never eaten lead lol

Re: Xfinity using WiFi signals in your house to detect motion

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Post by thegrim33 »

Funny, Xfinity has been spamming me for months now trying to get me to get off my own hardware and onto theirs. Promising me vague "speed improvements" (and of course without ever bothering to provide a single piece of data about how/why speed would be improved, or by how much). No, no I don't think I will.

Re: Xfinity using WiFi signals in your house to detect motion

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Post by jklinger410 »

Aurornis wrote: post #80
jklinger410 wrote: post #26

I had a conspiracy theorist tell me one time this is why they removed all the lead paint. It never quite made sense that kids were actually eating lead chips. I know lead is bad for you, maybe a coincidence.

Even old lead paint didn't have a lot of lead in it. A thin layer of lead paint with We use lead for shielding ionizing radiation like gamma rays, but even that uses a lot more lead than you'd find in paint. Not all "radiation" is the same thing.

Good to know! Thanks for clarifying.
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