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Post by labster »

vinceguidry wrote: post #402
graemep wrote: post #382

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The west is very naive. A lot of the current state of the world is a result of western politicians believing the "end of history" theories of the 1980s - the idea that any country would naturally become a free market liberal democracy as it grew richer. China is building soft power. We have Chinese funded teaching in British universities, lecturers moved from teaching a course because they upset Chinese students (who…

The limiting factor to Chinese soft power development is its need to remain authoritarian. Folks will accept living under one if that's all they know. But if you didn't grow up with the brainwashing nobody will trust you and everything is transactional. You see Chinese attempts to exert political control over its diaspora and it never works as well as they would like. Where the West's soft power essentially comes fro…

I don’t know man, I would have believed this wholeheartedly ten years ago. But people are choosing true authoritarianism in droves. People just keep voting for Trump, Orban, Erdogan, and Le Pen. Trump is extremely transactional.

All of which is great news for China, and a great victory for their ‘do nothing: win’ policy.

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Post by carlosjobim »

somenameforme wrote: post #356
ceejayoz wrote: post #290

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The second source’s first paragraph says “with total sales expected to surpass previous records” for 2023, at least.

Sales are accounted for in $ terms, not units sold. It's the same thing with Hollywood. You might think movies are more popular than ever thanks to record breaking sales (pre-COVID at least). In reality, we reached peak movie, in terms of tickets sold, in 2002! [1] Back to iPhones, this [2] page shows their stats by units sold (about half way down). iPhone is essentially treading water if those data are correct (with…

Ask yourself the question of what it means when a company makes more dollars from a product while not increasing the number of units sold. It's completely obvious if you think about it for a moment.

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Post by mypornaccount »

FredPret wrote: post #398
komali2 wrote: post #274

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Google too. I wish the fact that every company enshittifies in the end would wake us all up to the fact that rampant unregulated capitalism just doesn't work before it's too late to make any changes at all.

It's rampant unregulated capitalism that feeds the whole lifecycle: - company started in garage - makes first sales - gets popular - gets investors - becomes huge , changing the world of computing - enshittifies - gets replaced by the next company that was started in a garage somewhere A good system is not one that preserves Apple or IBM or Xerox. A good system is one that allows these companies to come and go, becau…

what regulation exactly would you prefer?

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Post by loloquwowndueo »

makeitdouble wrote: post #327
loloquwowndueo wrote: post #154

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Using windows and tolerating it’s crap is a choice, my dude. Linux and MacOS are right there.

Windows' sins are the utter lack of elegance and outright hostility to the generic users. And I understand those trigger visceral reactions for many. Yet macos' polish and elegance just hide different issues, in particular the utter lack of flexibility (Apple's way or the highway) and expecting to solve most issues by throwing money at it (want 3D perfs ? just buy another computer) I personally couldn't understand wh…

You can have a non-Mac computer with a non-Microsoft OS. Like I said - choices, choices. All choices have downsides for sure.

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Post by nixpulvis »

al_borland wrote: post #406
partiallypro wrote: post #315

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The thing is, while we care about it here at HN, most people don't really care. Apple is a cult among consumers and they aren't going to switch even if they started putting in way more ads. They know, similar to Windows, that they have an ecosystem lock in and people aren't going to escape it.

People think they don’t care, or they tolerate it, but it still has an impact on the experience. It comes in the form of fewer glowing reviews, fewer recommendations to friends, more complaints and less forgiveness for problems. The pressure builds up over time, and then they snap. Windows is the perfect example against the claim that Apple should be comfortable to abuse their users. Windows marketshare has been stea…

Exactly. Just because someone says they don't care, or they don't even consciously see it, doesn't mean it's not internalized in some way. A lot of the time it simply degrades the importance of the notification, making them more likely to be passively ignored in the future, however it probably runs deeper too.

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Post by miki123211 »

aqme28 wrote: post #130
em500 wrote: post #129

Apple Wallet is in the App store, and the F1 ad debacle directly violates App Store guidelines https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/ ) > 4.5.4 Push Notifications must not be required for the app to function, and should not be used to send sensitive personal or confidential information. Push Notifications should not be used for promotions or direct marketing purposes unless customers have explicitly…

Interesting. I feel like this clause is violated very often by major apps: > Push Notifications should not be used for promotions or direct marketing purposes unless customers have explicitly opted in to receive them via consent language displayed in your app’s UI, and you provide a method in your app for a user to opt out from receiving such messages.

Tinder and delivery apps definitely don't follow these rules.

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Post by HenriTEL »

gyomu wrote: post #145
ksec wrote: post #51

The problem isn't sending an Ad to Wallet. It is the fact that Apple openly attack Ads, condemns Ads, talk about privacy as fundamental human rights, and then have targeted Ads, in a place / software / services where no body expected it to appear. And not everybody has the Ad, so by HN / Reddit / Internet definition that Ad is targeted. The thing I used to like about Apple, even if you disagree with some of its decis…

> Now Apple has become just another cooperate entity but with design team holding sufficient political power. You’d be surprised to hear how much the political power of the design team within Apple has eroded over the last decade. Here’s a little game of insider Apple baseball: 1) why do you think the chief of design isn’t on this page? https://www.apple.com/leadership/ 2) from the SVPs on that same page, who do you…

During Jobs era obviously design was a first order concern.

Then Cook took over but still Jonathan Ive stayed as head of design until 2019.

Ive was replaced by Evans Hankey and Alan Dye who were under Jeff Williams, the Chief Operating Officer.

Talk about a downgrade!

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Post by Aurornis »

al_borland wrote: post #413
JimDabell wrote: post #24

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I think this is a lot worse than the U2 thing. Operating systems bundle free stuff all the time. Even the Windows 95 CD had a Weezer music video on it. The U2 album wasn’t spammy it didn’t interrupt people, it was in an appropriate place, and it was easily removed. Even if you didn’t want it, it’s reasonable to not consider it a problem. This was outright spammy. It was trying to sell people something. It was in a se…

It was only able to be removed after the backlash. Apple had to build a tool for it, and users had to be connected to tech media enough to know that existed. And if they didn’t do it already, it’s too late. That doesn’t sound easily removed to me.

The U2 episode is a perfect example of something that went unnoticed by people who already used iTunes heavily, but became a major pain point for anyone who didn’t already have a large library on their phone.

If your iTunes was filled with songs, it got lost in the noise. This probably describes all of the Apple employees who thought it was a good idea.

If your iTunes was empty, U2 became that annoying song that played by default when you connected your phone to your car for any reason or other systems that played music by default. For years I can remember this happening to people in random situations and then everyone around would groan.

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Post by carlosjobim »

wat10000 wrote: post #293
steveBK123 wrote: post #215

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Agree they have a huge taste problem, but even besides that Apple has a huge incumbent problem now really. Smartphones ate the world, and they ate the majority of profit in the space. We are now 20 years on and the software is no longer driving the urgency of the hardware upgrade cycle it used to. Apple gets the majority of its revenue from iPhones and related services. Note that services category includes all sorts…

Apple’s MO, at least in recent decades, is to let others blaze the trail into a new space, then do their own version that gets it right. Smartphones were a big deal before the iPhone. People would talk about how they were addicted to checking email on their “crackberries.” But they were niche. You could see that they were going to be big, but they weren’t there yet. Then the iPhone catapulted smartphones from a popul…

Let's hope eink or any other type of outdoors usable display. That's a new market of hundreds of millions of devices they can sell.

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Post by Aurornis »

earthtograndma wrote: post #152
ryandrake wrote: post #101

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I’ve met so many people who only have that one album on their devices, and it plays every time they plug into their car or connect via Bluetooth. And they are all just annoyed/accepting of it. My wife was one of them. And what made it worse was you couldn’t just pause it: with her car’s particular head unit, anything you touched (like the volume control) would cause the head unit to issue another “play music” command…

If I'm reading all this correctly, it sounds like Apple has a system that will automatically play unintended music at various times from the music library. The only way to prevent this is to completely wipe out the entire library. And the chief complaint is that there is an album in the library.

> If I'm reading all this correctly, it sounds like Apple has a system that will automatically play unintended music at various times from the music library.

No, in this case the play command was coming from the attached device. Apple’s product was complying with the command in the only way it could, by playing the songs in the library.

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