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Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests
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Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests
#432Because the CNN article seems to have accidentally omitted it, allow me to paste the full text of 18 U.S. Code § 1385, the Posse Comitatus Act: > Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army, the Navy, the Marine Corps, the Air Force, or the Space Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fi…
The President has authority to do so under the Insurrection Act of 1807. Note that President Eisenhower did the same thing when he forced desegregation in Little Rock, Arkansas in 1957. I'm pretty sure you were aware of this but cite the Posse Comitatus Act to make it sound like what Trump is doing is illegal. You can absolutely argue that what he's doing is unnecessary, disproportional, evil, provocative, etc, but i…
> The President has authority to do so under the Insurrection Act of 1807. Note that President Eisenhower did the same thing when he forced desegregation in Little Rock, Arkansas in 1957
Super unclear.
Governor Wallace of Alabama was overtly rejecting a court order to desegregate. There was a law passed by the Congress. A U.S. court making an order. And the U.S. President enforcing it, including with the military. Wallace was defying the U.S., not just President Eisenhower.
The facts and circumstances here are different. The immigration laws being enforced are clear. But the Marines aren't being deployed against illegal immigrants, they're being deployed against mostly-American protesters. There have been zero court actions specific to these protests. This is being entirely done by the President. Moreover, neither Newsom nor Bass are interfering with ICE. So it's a bit ridiculous to compare a former Confederate state's governor personally blocking a U.S. court decision to mostly-peaceful protesters (and where not, being processed by local and state law enforcement) exercising their Constutional rights to speech and assembly while ICE continues to do what it does relatively unimpeded.
Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests
#433Because the CNN article seems to have accidentally omitted it, allow me to paste the full text of 18 U.S. Code § 1385, the Posse Comitatus Act: > Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army, the Navy, the Marine Corps, the Air Force, or the Space Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fi…
The President has authority to do so under the Insurrection Act of 1807. Note that President Eisenhower did the same thing when he forced desegregation in Little Rock, Arkansas in 1957. I'm pretty sure you were aware of this but cite the Posse Comitatus Act to make it sound like what Trump is doing is illegal. You can absolutely argue that what he's doing is unnecessary, disproportional, evil, provocative, etc, but i…
The President has not invoked the Insurrection Act, as required, because they are using a different justification for their actions.
Without invoking it, it just is not relevant here.
Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests
#434Earlier quoted context omitted.
I used to think that the quote "Elections have consequences." is much much more benign.
As someone born just south of the Hungarian border, I feel it is important to point out just how quickly election integrity deteriorates afterwards. Or to quote Serbian president's freudian slip (from just two days ago): "Every living soul in Kosjerić [small town that held municipal elections] came out to vote against us, but we still managed to win." It is fucking bullshit how a country can spend decades building up…
I've watched Operation Saber recently, those quotes at the end are chilling.
Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests
#435Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not american but I remember marines being mobilized for hurricane Katrina in New Orleans too. Funny that if it's so bad to deploy them, why is it OK to deploy them in other countries?
Their job is to be deployed internationally and specifically not to be deployed domestically. That's why it's so appalling.
No.
> The Insurrection Act of 1807 [...] empowers the president [...] to nationally deploy the U.S. military [...] in specific circumstances, such as the suppression of civil disorder [...]
Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests
#436This is terrifying and unconscionable. Hard to believe this is the USA today. I don’t really see this de-escalating given the ongoing rhetoric but I hope I’m wrong.
there's a reason why people remember kent state.
The President who ordered the Kent State National Guard deployment won his re-election campaign in a massive landslide - 49 out of 50 states went for Nixon. I suspect that people that lived through it remembered Kent State very differently at the time than we do (or maybe than they do now).
Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests
#437Because the CNN article seems to have accidentally omitted it, allow me to paste the full text of 18 U.S. Code § 1385, the Posse Comitatus Act: > Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army, the Navy, the Marine Corps, the Air Force, or the Space Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fi…
Active duty can guard federal buildings and federal agents. Not sure that is how they will use them. When I was active duty I assisted in multiple weather related catastrophic events and I am glad they did not argue against our use. We helped many citizens in a time the national guard would not have been sufficient.
Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests
#438Earlier quoted context omitted.
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How is it being illegal relevant? Everything cops arrest people for is (theoretically) illegal. If you're implying that employers of illegal immigration are hard to find, it's really not. Any farmer who receives subsidies (which is most of them) has to submit all sorts of paper trails, and if they have both no employees and no fancy farm-automation equipment, then it's pretty easy to check if they have illegal immigr…
>and if they have both no employees and no fancy farm-automation equipment, then it's pretty easy to check if they have illegal immigrants.
That's not how it works in practice. They use someone else's SSN and proper withholdings so nobody's the wiser unless the owner of the SSN being used both gets audited and has some portion of their income bumped into another bracket, which is rare.
Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests
#439There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state. The other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people.
The police are not serving the people except if you use using "clearly the patriot act is good it has patriot in the name" type reasoning to define what that looks like. They're just serving your state and local government instead of the feds. They only serve the people in so far as doing so advances the interests of their employer. And that overlap is less than a lot of people make it out to be, especially when you look at specific issues.
Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests
#440Earlier quoted context omitted.
LA is actively supporting illegal immigrants. If you want something like this to work, federal agents need to do it.
Even this supreme court has said the way in which ice is "doing the work" that they're doing isn't constitutional. As in, the way in which "federal agents need to do it" is being done right now is literally illegal. Hence, protests. This isn't rocket science
One case brought before the Supreme Court was the humanitarian legal status for migrants, which it was struck down and they can be sent back.
The other was about the deportations, which the court said they need to serve deportees a notice of deportation before they are actually deported.
There is no ruling that says ICE can't go after them wherever they are and arrest them.