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Post by autoexec »

munificent wrote: post #286
r3trohack3r wrote: post #246

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You’re setting court precedent that will apply equally to OpenAI as it does to the llama.cpp and stable diffusion models running on your own graphics card.

SGTM. Honestly, seriously. Imagine some weird Thanos showed up, snapped his fingers and every single bit of generative AI software/models/papers/etc. were wiped from the Earth forever. Would that world be measurably worse in any way in terms of meaningful satisfying lives for people? Yes, you might have to hand draw (poorly) your D&D character. But if you wanted to read a story, or look at an image, you'd have to act…

Imagine a world where Thanos snapped his fingers and photoshop (along with every digital application like it) was wiped from Earth forever. The world would keep on turning and artists would keep on creating, but creating art would be more difficult and fewer people would be able to do it (or even touch up their own photos).

Would that world be so bad? Was the world really so horrible before photoshop existed?

What if we lost youtube? What if we lost MP3s?

We could lose a lot of things we didn't always have and we'd still survive, but that doesn't mean that those things aren't worth having or that we shouldn't want them.

Re: An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip

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Post by autoexec »

tastyface wrote: post #163
mlsu wrote: post #137

I was really hoping that the conversation around AI art would at least be partially centered on the perhaps now dated "2008 pirate party" idea that intellectual property, the royalty system, the draconian copyright laws that we have today are deeply silly, rooted in a fiction, and used over and over again, primarily by the rich and powerful, to stifle original ideas and hold back cultural innovation. Unfortunately, i…

A different way of looking at it: AI, by design, defaults to regurgitating the poppiest of pop culture content. Every whip-wielding archaeologist is now Harrison Ford. Every suave British spy is now Daniel Craig. With the power of AI, creativity is dead and buried.

> A different way of looking at it: AI, by design, defaults to regurgitating the poppiest of pop culture content.

That's the whole problem with AI. It's not creative. There's no "I" in AI. There's just what we feed it and it's a whole lot of "garbage in, garbage out". The more the world is flooded with derivative AI slop the less there will be of anything else to train AI on and eventually we're left with increasingly homogenized and uncreative content drowning out what little originality is still being made without AI.

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Post by jcheng »

sothatsit wrote: post #426
dcow wrote: post #423

Either, (1) LLMs are just super lossy compress/decompress machines and we humans find fascination in the loss that happens at decompression time, at times ascribing creativity and agency to it. Status quo copyright is a concern as we reduce the amount of lossiness, because at some point someone can claim that an output is close enough to the original to constitute infringement. AI companies should probably license al…

You don't even need to add much more to the prompts. Just a few words, and it changes the characters you get. It won't always produce something good, but at least we have a lot of control over what it produces. Examples: "An image of an Indian female archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip" ( https://sora.com/g/gen_01jqzet1p8fjaa808bmqnvf7rk ) "An image of a fat Russian archeologist adventurer who…

Those are great, I would watch any one of those movies. Maybe even the "Across the Indiana-Verse" one where they are all pulled into a single dimension.

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Post by CaptainFever »

swyx wrote: post #116

reserving moral judgment and specifically explaining why gpt4o cant do spiderman and harry potter but can do ghibli: i havent seen anyone point it out but japan has pretty ai friendly laws https://petapixel.com/2023/06/05/japan-declares-ai-training-...

I thought it was because you can't copyright a style (e.g. the Ghibli style), but you can copyright characters (e.g. Spiderman and Harry Potter).

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Post by GrantMoyer »

sothatsit wrote: post #426
dcow wrote: post #423

Either, (1) LLMs are just super lossy compress/decompress machines and we humans find fascination in the loss that happens at decompression time, at times ascribing creativity and agency to it. Status quo copyright is a concern as we reduce the amount of lossiness, because at some point someone can claim that an output is close enough to the original to constitute infringement. AI companies should probably license al…

You don't even need to add much more to the prompts. Just a few words, and it changes the characters you get. It won't always produce something good, but at least we have a lot of control over what it produces. Examples: "An image of an Indian female archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip" ( https://sora.com/g/gen_01jqzet1p8fjaa808bmqnvf7rk ) "An image of a fat Russian archeologist adventurer who…

All four of those are dressed like Indiana Jones. They look like different versions of Indiana Jones you'd see in super hero multi-verse story.

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Post by dcow »

awesome_dude wrote: post #413
dcow wrote: post #407

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If the book is the compiled work, then the source of a book is the author's creative process. And certainly that isn't open to all simply by purchasing the book. But less obtusely: you don't copyright a book--which is why knowledge, language, literature should not be closed source. We'd have to find a different model to support authors than trying to prevent people from copying books. Patreon style models where you s…

There are precisely three models for funding Private - this includes funding by selling item(s), licensing work, and private equity State Charity - this includes volunteers, patrons, donations, sponsorships. Charity relies on people willing to donate for the betterment of others. State funding fails because of the political nature of the person holding the purse strings. Licensing, copyright, physical sales are the o…

I am supportive of private and charity funding. I think we can do it without a focus restricting copying. I think this because there is precedent with any industry that relies on trade secrets. Once I can copy a Coke with a food printer we'll be having some really weird internal consistency issues with copyright.

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Post by toddmorey »

dcow wrote: post #423

Either, (1) LLMs are just super lossy compress/decompress machines and we humans find fascination in the loss that happens at decompression time, at times ascribing creativity and agency to it. Status quo copyright is a concern as we reduce the amount of lossiness, because at some point someone can claim that an output is close enough to the original to constitute infringement. AI companies should probably license al…

"Prompt artist" makes me sigh out loud

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Post by Velorivox »

alphan0n wrote: post #350
rdtsc wrote: post #127

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> But I can hire an artist and ask him to draw me a picture of Indiana Jones, Sure, assuming the artist has the proper license and franchise rights to make and distribute copies. You can go buy a picture of Indy today that may not be printed by Walt Disney Studios but by some other outfit or artists. Or, you mean if the artist doesn't have a license to produce and distribute Indiana Jones images? Well they'll be in t…

That’s not how copyright law works. Commissioned work is owned by the commissioner unless otherwise agreed upon by contract. So long as the work is not distributed, exhibited, performed, etc, as in the example of keeping the artwork on their refrigerator in their home, then no infringement has taken place.

As far as I know, if you're speaking of the United States, the copyright of commissioned work is owned by the creator, unless otherwise agreed upon specifically through a "work made for hire" (i.e. copyright transfer) clause in the contract.

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Post by ramraj07 »

MgB2 wrote: post #30

Idk, the models generating what are basically 1:1 copies of the training data from pretty generic descriptions feels like a severe case of overfitting to me. What use is a generational model that just regurgitates the input? I feel like the less advanced generations, maybe even because of their limitations in terms of size, were better at coming up with something that at least feels new. In the end, other than for co…

So I train a model to say y=2, and then I ask the model to guess the value of y and it says 2, and you call that overfitting?

Overfitting is if you didn't exactly describe Indiana Jones and then it still gave Indiana Jones.

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Post by Lerc »

duskwuff wrote: post #425
masswerk wrote: post #333

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What I'm kind of concerned about is that these images will persist and will be reinforced by positive feedback. Meaning, an adventurous archeologist will be the same very image, forever. We're entering the epitome of dogmatic ages. (And it will be the same corporate images and narratives, over and over again.)

And it's worth considering that this issue isn't unique to image generation, either.

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