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Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by light_hue_1 »

tsimionescu wrote: post #367
cge wrote: post #301

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're not confusing popular and electoral votes. Trump won a majority of electoral votes, and a plurality of the popular vote, as they claimed; that is from the official count, not preliminary counts. He did not win a majority of the popular vote, but that is also the case both for Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton (twice, though one of those was a rare three candidate race where a majority would have been unlikely)…

No one claimed he won the majority of the vote though. The claim was just that he "won the popular vote" (this time, in 2024, not in previous elections). And winning a plurality is winning the vote, in almost all electoral systems (of course, the popular vote is ultimately meaningless in the USA, but that doesn't mean we should apply some other arbitrary threshold for what it means to win it).

> And winning a plurality is winning the vote, in almost all electoral systems

Presidential systems with runoffs are very popular. A plurality is useless there, you win with a majority.

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Post by username135 »

2-3-7-43-1807 wrote: post #410
spiderfarmer wrote: post #296

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about 50% of women in us are Trumpists

You mean of the people that voted? Or of the population? Both are different figures and both would be incorrect.

A very quick search; https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2020/08/18/men-and-w...

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iammjm wrote: post #118

Europeans were perfectly happy to buy American tech und military exports, thus earning U.S. money and making EU technologically and politically dependent from the U.S. - it really was perfect for the U.S. But the US decided that it was actually a BAD DEAL and they wanted to extort even more money and dependence from EU. So now EU is investing in their own tech and military, thus reducing the amount of money US is get…

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Post by fundatus »

npteljes wrote: post #211
GaggiX wrote: post #10

Youtube is the real tough one to replace, BiliBili is probably the only one that comes close to it and it's Chinese.

Yes, truth is, networks have no replacement. At the end of the day, social sites live and die by the circles of people that are there. One way out of this would be if content creators would en masse upload to multiple sites. Even with preferential treatment for YouTube, this would enable consumers to follow their favorite creators outside of YouTube, and get the same content. Of course, this onus is now on the creato…

Agree! But it's not impossible. I signed up for Bluesky in late 2023 and it was... like a tumbleweed tumbling across my screen. But now? It really feels like they've crossed some kind of threshold and it very much feels like Twitter back in the day™. I think they just crossed 30m users, maybe that is the magic number?

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Post by Symbiote »

phtrivier wrote: post #49

The very interesting question will then be : how many people _do_ switch ? For the personnal tools, people have lots of leeway (change mail provider, search engine, ai chatbot, etc...) For the enterprise, I really wonder how you defend a "let's migrate our infra from AWS to X" in general, even for technological reason or business reason ; I don't even know how you start a conversation like "aws works fine for us, but…

> I don't even know how you start a conversation like "aws works fine for us, but let's switch for political reasons" (whether the political reason is good or bad is out of topic.)

Someone relatively senior sees an article, blog, whitepaper etc and mentions it. Staff at any level who agree with the politics can then push a little to make it happen — even just by keeping it as a lunchtime discussion topic.

My employer moved away from American-hosted products due to privacy concerns, except for Office 365. The relatively senior people read about legal risks, asked a local lawyer, and made it a moderate priority to get done. For Office 365 we have the standard assurance from Microsoft that our data is in Ireland, but I could see that being reviewed.

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Post by Jolter »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #280
mixermachine wrote: post #229

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Coca-Cola is mostly produced locally. Atleast the mixing of Sirup and bottling is. I personally don't know if they ship their sirup around the world.

But, AIUI, usually the profits get exported via IP payments to the parent companies host nation.

And tariffs on intellectual property licenses are not on the table right now, as far as I’m aware. Right?

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Post by fundatus »

GaggiX wrote: post #10

Youtube is the real tough one to replace, BiliBili is probably the only one that comes close to it and it's Chinese.

I've just got a self hosted piped.video instance running this weekend. But sadly YouTube seems to be brutal nowadays with blocking these alternative interfaces and the experience was pretty bad. I'll watch how this develops and maybe also give Invidious a try.

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Post by acje »

dachworker wrote: post #267
iammjm wrote: post #118

Europeans were perfectly happy to buy American tech und military exports, thus earning U.S. money and making EU technologically and politically dependent from the U.S. - it really was perfect for the U.S. But the US decided that it was actually a BAD DEAL and they wanted to extort even more money and dependence from EU. So now EU is investing in their own tech and military, thus reducing the amount of money US is get…

There is a weird attitude among European elites where on the one hand, they point out how European countries have always been in a subservient position within the American sphere of influence, but then, instead of cheering that this era is ending, they seem to be all upset about it and want their collar to be put back on. Help me understand this. To me it seems that maybe the interests of EU elites differ from the in…

There was this "end of history" idea where Europe, elites or not, believed that democracy would follow globalization and free trade. This turned out to be very naive but still common belief. Now Europe will have to fend for it self. In the long run I think this will benefit both US and Europe, but short term it will hurt both. Also I don´t think Europe will pivot away from US, we still understand that at least half of US shares our values, but US can´t be trusted to stand up for these values anymore. Same as Hungary, Turkey. I personally see it as a good opportunity to get some action going in Europe, as I discuss here in the context of building digital infrastructure: https://lnkd.in/dRNSYPWC

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Post by lupusreal »

tossandthrow wrote: post #215
lupusreal wrote: post #198

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Europe has cutting edge domestic military tech in almost all relevant categories but don't build enough of it to matter because until recently their people and governments haven't taken defense seriously. Europe doing so now is good for America because it reduces the risk of Americans once again dying in yet another European war.

Last time Nato's article 5 was invoked it lead to Europeans dying in US wars. We need to go back to WW2 for you comment to have any value. I think Americans can thank themselves and nobody else for their people dying in wars.

The fewer wars America and Europe are involved with together, the better. Europe has the economic and industrial capacity to defend itself, and America certainly doesn't need Europe's help with whatever new retarded military adventurism our politicians are plotting. The reason America invoked Article 5 was to give an air of international legitimacy to the invasion of Afghanistan, and if doing something like that again isn't on the table then maybe American politicians will be slightly less likely to think that a new war will pay off politically.

We're both better off if Europe can comfortably cut America loose. Europe building up their domestic defense capabilities is essential for this and will bring about a greater chance for long term peace.

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Post by username135 »

isoprophlex wrote: post #293
dachworker wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a weird attitude among European elites where on the one hand, they point out how European countries have always been in a subservient position within the American sphere of influence, but then, instead of cheering that this era is ending, they seem to be all upset about it and want their collar to be put back on. Help me understand this. To me it seems that maybe the interests of EU elites differ from the in…

I don't recognize this attitude at all. But I'm no elite anywhere. Thinking about it, it's not so weird? We beat the nazis together, we've generally enjoyed world peace, freedom, and the joys of neocolonialism. Things were sailing along just fine. Now things are all weird and fucked up and we have to worry about fucking russia, defense spending in general, the fate of greenland, cloud computing and all that shit? Put…

Can't say I disagree.
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