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OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by codedokode »

carlosdp wrote: post #108
triceratops wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can I download a book without paying for it, and print copies of it? Stash copies in my bathroom, the gym, my office, my bedroom etc. to basically have a copy on hand to study from whenever I have some free time? What about movies and music?

That's not a one-to-one analogy. The LLM isn't giving you the book, its giving you information it learned from the book. The analogous scenario is "Can I read a book and publish a blog post with all the information in that book, in my own words?", and under US copyright law, the answer is: Yes.

The better analogy is "can my business use illegally downloaded works to save on buying a license". For example, can you use pirated copy of Windows in your company? Can you use pirated copy of a book to compute weights of a mathematical model?

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Post by thrance »

secondary_op wrote: post #379

Free market y all ! OpenAI calls DeepSeek 'state-controlled,' calls for bans https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43355779

It is the free market though. That's what inevitably happens when locks put in place in the past to prevent rampant wealth and power concentration get blown up. A truly free market always devolves into a bunch of oligarchs gaining too much power and dictating their laws.

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Post by fuzztester »

tdeck wrote: post #238
hnlurker22 wrote: post #206

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Just like when people complain about OpenAI's ill practices then they use it the most

Can anyone say which of the LLM companies is the least "shady"? If I want to use an LLM to augment my work, and don't have a massively powerful local machine to run local models, what are the best options? Obviously I saw the news about OpenAI's head of research openly supporting war crimes, but I don't feel confident about what's up with the other companies.

A: none of the above

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Post by codedokode »

Terretta wrote: post #59
triceratops wrote: post #36

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Can I download a book without paying for it, and print copies of it? Stash copies in my bathroom, the gym, my office, my bedroom etc. to basically have a copy on hand to study from whenever I have some free time? What about movies and music?

Is the book online and accessible to your eyeballs through your open standards client tool, such that you can learn from seeing it?

Let's say Windows is downloadable from Microsoft website. Can you use it for free in your company to save on buying a license? Is it ok to use illegal copies of works in a business?

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Post by Aerroon »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #309
Joel_Mckay wrote: post #183

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Regulatory capture is a common strategy for synthetic monopolistic competitive firms, and suckers high on their own ego. Deepseek already proved regulation will not be effective at maintaining a market lead. =3

Why won't it? If you get fined millions of dollars (for copyright, of course) if you're found to have anything resembling DeepSeek on your machine - no company in the US is going to run it. The personal market is going to be much smaller than the enterprise market.

>if you're found to have anything resembling DeepSeek on your machine - no company in the US is going to run it.

That would be as successful as fighting internet piracy.

Not to mention that you could outsource the AI stuff to servers sitting in Mexico or something.

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Post by codedokode »

dylan604 wrote: post #342
sidewndr46 wrote: post #303

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If I spent every last second of my life in a public library, I couldn't even view a fraction of the information that OpenAI has ingested. The comparison is irrelevant. To make the comparison somehow valid, I'd have to back up my truck to a public library, steal the entire contents, then start selling copies out of my garage

Look, even I'm not a fan of ClosedAI, but this is ridiculous. ClosedAI isn't giving copies of anything. It is giving you a response it infers based on things it has "read" and/or "learned" by reading content. Does ClosedAI store a copy of the content it scrapes, or does it immediately start tokenizing it or whatever is involved in training? If they store it, that's a lot of data, and we should be able to prove that s…

Let's say OpenAI developers use illegal copy of Windows on their laptops to save on buying a license. Is that ok to run a business this way?

Also I think it is different thing when someone uses copyrighted works for research and publishing a paper or when someone uses copyrighted works to earn money.

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Post by artursapek »

api wrote: post #197
svilen_dobrev wrote: post #115

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> ask for regulation then ask for exempt That's exactly what has been happening: Ask HN: Why is OpenAI pushing for regulation so much - 2023 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36045397

OpenAI lobbied for restrictive rules, and now they want an "out" but only for themselves. Absolute naked regulatory capture.

nice to see HN is no longer glazing Sam Altman

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Post by warkdarrior »

giraffe_lady wrote: post #418
ArthurStacks wrote: post #411

All these whiney creatives who feel threatened just need to suck it up and deal with it. Even if they got their way in the US, another app in another country will just use their data without permission. All they are doing is ensuring those apps wouldnt be American.

What do you mean by "deal with it?" Because to me it looks like they're dealing with it by joining in solidarity with other artists, raising awareness about how this affects them and us and lobbying for regulation they think would improve the situation. I guess you meant they should deal with it by just letting it happen to them quietly and without a fight? Is that how you would deal with your livelihood being preven…

How would awareness and regulation in US solve this worldwide problem?

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Post by codedokode »

ajross wrote: post #82
triceratops wrote: post #78

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But I can't legally obtain the book to read and learn from without me (or a library) paying for it. Let's start there first.

Yes, but the learning isn't constrained by those laws. If I steal a book and read it, I'm guilty of the crime of theft. You can put me in jail, try me before a jury, fine me, and put me in prison according to whatever laws I broke. Nothing in my sentence constrains my ability to teach someone else the stuff I learned, though! In fact, the first amendment makes it pretty damn clear that nothing can constrain that free…

One thing is downloading pirated copy and reading it for yourself and another thing is running a business based on downloading millions of pirated works.
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