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America Is Missing The New Labor Economy – Robotics Part 1

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Post by rreichman »

SergeAx wrote: post #421
blueyes wrote: post #18

Some authors of this piece are deeply involved themselves in building robots and other hardware technology. They should be taken seriously. The US is moving into a trade war, however unwise, with the country that supplies components for everything we make and need. That country has expansionist ambitions and a superior manufacturing base, which is typically what wins wars.

What exactly are China's expansionist ambitions beyond obvious Taiwan and beef with India over the border in Tibet?

Have you heard of the South China Sea?

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Post by grungydan »

chii wrote: post #271
ActorNightly wrote: post #266

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Not gonna happen. On the 1% chance we have a fair election next time around and Dems get elected, they will be too busy cleaning up the Republican mess, and nobody will notice. Just like what happened under Biden. China ironically can end US by simply providing easy immigration for qualified tech workers.

> simply providing easy immigration for qualified tech workers. I dont believe those tech workers would wish to move, unless the political system in china changes to one that is more amenable to democracy; not to mention that having high salaries in the US, it will be impossible to achieve similar levels in china after migration (even if the PPP remains the same!).

Because our so-called "democracy" is working so very well in contrast?

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Post by SergeAx »

rreichman wrote: post #431
SergeAx wrote: post #421

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What exactly are China's expansionist ambitions beyond obvious Taiwan and beef with India over the border in Tibet?

Have you heard of the South China Sea?

Is it a rhetorical question? In my opinion this dispute is closely tied with Taiwan claim. When China gets Taiwan - it gets most of the critical area containing shipping lines and oil/gas fields.

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Post by feoren »

codedokode wrote: post #231
feoren wrote: post #171

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I too worry about a future where the rich no longer have any need for the poor. I think the scenario where the rich end up just giving the poor a bit of money each month is an extremely optimistic one. Much more realistic is a slow genocide, where the poor simply die en masse in the streets due to having no homes, food, and healthcare, while such homelessness becomes both increasingly more unavoidable and more illega…

Aren't you too pessimistic? 1 kg of rice costs somewhere around $2 here and you won't eat it in a day. So with $20-30 you can have a month worth amount of rice. You don't need thousands of dollars to survive. And giving everyone $30 every month won't break even developing country economy.

How are you cooking that rice? With rainwater collected from gutters over a trash can fire? Both of which are illegal, by the way.

How are you preventing others from stealing your rice? Where are you eating it? Where are you sleeping at night?

Yes, of course you need thousands of dollars to survive. The problem is rent, not food.

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Post by tangjurine »

alienthrowaway wrote: post #193
hnthrow90348765 wrote: post #175

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What I think will happen is the US tries to mimic China by creating an even lower class of our workers that form a new industrial/manufacturing base to compete with. This becomes less of a difficult pill to swallow if a) we're involved in a trade war, b) the economy has crashed and we must work our way out of it "for the country", c) the right people get enough money. They're too smart for mass murder because that wo…

> What I think will happen is the US tries to mimic China by creating an even lower class of our workers that form a new industrial/manufacturing base to compete with. Still too optimistic on how long-term the American approach will be. There won't be a UBI, the oligarchy will be paid directly from government coffers. The deficit, bonds and other government instruments will paper over the collapse of tax-revenue and…

like what?

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Post by chii »

grungydan wrote: post #433
chii wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> simply providing easy immigration for qualified tech workers. I dont believe those tech workers would wish to move, unless the political system in china changes to one that is more amenable to democracy; not to mention that having high salaries in the US, it will be impossible to achieve similar levels in china after migration (even if the PPP remains the same!).

Because our so-called "democracy" is working so very well in contrast?

democracy was what decided the trump presidency. It is working. The problem is the voters are pretty dumb, or fell for propaganda.

Democracy isn't meant to give you the best outcome. It gives you, the voter, a way to push the gov't.

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Post by deadfoxygrandpa »

csomar wrote: post #294
chii wrote: post #270

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What makes these plans go so successfully, when the soviets have historically not been able to make such plans successful (despite being richer and more powerful at the time)? This video about Argentina's economic failures mentions why free market capitalism failed in argentina, and why a "similar" opening up in china didnt fail (but not so much detail that another country could follow it and replicate the success).…

Free market capitalism and soviet state socialism or communism is just editorial masturbation. Regardless of the economic system, the everyday tasks are done by regular humans. The system can organize them but if they don't want to do the work, the work won't get done. There is no magic system for that. Over a decade ago, I worked in a public hospital with a really tight budget. The Pneumology section was clean, orde…

nice anecdote. but how do you explain systemic differences in general if you really believe the way you organize stuff doesnt matter?

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Post by dumbledoren »

regularization wrote: post #423
dumbledoren wrote: post #388

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The Soviets were insanely successful: From the 1920s to 1960s they raised the USSR to space age, industrialized it to become the 2nd superpower, won a world war, upgraded citizens from village huts to apartments, from being barefoot to cars and subways. What 'went wrong' was the economic war that Kennedy admn. started to starve the USSR of GDP by starting an arms and space race. The USSR did not bite the space race b…

Some other factors - In 1916 the communists dud not want to take over Russia. In 1917, Lenin said they should take the opportunity to take over Russia, and wait for Germany to become a left wing government, the real revolution. This did not happen, big business at the 1933 Geheimtreffen decided to back a right wing government in Germany, and the divided left was pushed aside by a united right when the Catholic Center…

Good points. Though, the Soviet attempt has been extremely successful in many ways. We owe the social state we have in modern society to the Soviets succeeding in establishing all those practices and programs and showing that they can be done. In the 1930s the capital was doing incessant propaganda saying how social programs would cause a society to collapse. Soviet union proved all of them wrong and it became impossible to prevent implementation of the modern social state we have today.

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Post by SR2Z »

csomar wrote: post #294
chii wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What makes these plans go so successfully, when the soviets have historically not been able to make such plans successful (despite being richer and more powerful at the time)? This video about Argentina's economic failures mentions why free market capitalism failed in argentina, and why a "similar" opening up in china didnt fail (but not so much detail that another country could follow it and replicate the success).…

Free market capitalism and soviet state socialism or communism is just editorial masturbation. Regardless of the economic system, the everyday tasks are done by regular humans. The system can organize them but if they don't want to do the work, the work won't get done. There is no magic system for that. Over a decade ago, I worked in a public hospital with a really tight budget. The Pneumology section was clean, orde…

The system is responsible for making people want to do work. Communists believed that ideology alone would be enough, and the capitalists appealed to people's own selfishness.

The difference in effectiveness between these two strategies is the difference between the richest countries in the world and famines that killed like 100M people.

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