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That is incorrect, standard Single-issue tunnel vision (which is very much promoted by Russian propaganda). NATO, with America leading, gave the world the longest stretch of relative peace it has ever seen. The next 80 years will not be the same, if we even survive it. Every major power will have to be nuclear, and every smaller power will be moving to it. Invasion of sovereign countries and Imperialism is going to s…

> NATO, with America leading, gave the world the longest stretch of relative peace it has ever seen.

What an outrageous claim to make over the entirety of recorded human history.

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Trump cited Russian propaganda of Zelensky‘s 4% approval rate. So where did he get that from?

He knows it's wrong. He wanted to elicit a counter statement from Zelensky. Which Zelensky gave, saying that he had 57% approval rating. So now Trump can say: Look, if you have 57% approval rating, why do you shun elections?

> So now Trump can say: Look, if you have 57% approval rating, why do you shun elections?

So a lie to "prove" another lie? Is he's going to show us exactly how he's "shunning elections"?

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There is absolutely no talking to russia because russia will not respect any talks or agreements. Talking to russia will only buy time for russia to rearm and attack again. Here is the proof: "Zelensky sent Trump list of all 'ceasefires' violated by Russia" https://kyivindependent.com/zelensky-gave-trump-list-of-all-... russia respects nothing except getting punched back. They will break every single agreement. No am…

Well-respected American leaders thought it wise and worthwhile to maintain backchannels with the USSR throughout the cold war. Presumably, then, the Soviets were a lesser threat, materially and ideologically, to the American project than Russia is today? Is that correct?

Amazingly the USSR was more reliable than Putin's russia, whatever that is today.

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Crazy how you can ruin a nations reputation in weeks..

Everyone's about to get nukes now. What could go wrong.

You're not joking, a lot of people I talk to have gone from anti nuke to hard pro nuke. I can see the future having a lot more nukes in it now that there's no reliable world order to believe in.

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It’s appalling to see so many comments here defending what’s going on. I’m trying to take it in good faith and accept these people actually think this instead of being paid to spread Russian disinformation. So, for those that are in good faith, as an European, I’ll explain mine (and my close circle) position: It’s true that the USA doesn’t have any obligation of helping Ukraine and should be up to us, Europeans, to s…

Do you remember what happened when Russia tried to install missiles in Cuba? The USA put its foot down and was willing to have a nuclear war. Same thing is happening in Russia, making Ukraine part of NATO is just too close. Why is it so hard for people to understand this?

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I disagree that the KGB played a meaningful part in the Civil Rights Movement, rather they saw the race schism like everybody else did and tried to aggravate it - but it backfired and the Civil Rights Act remains a pivotal victory in American history. It’s now illegal to teach that perspective in Florida however as it falls under recent CRT laws and administrators are now fearful of any adjacent curriculum. Regardles…

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post #233

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Trump cited Russian propaganda of Zelensky‘s 4% approval rate. So where did he get that from?

He knows it's wrong. He wanted to elicit a counter statement from Zelensky. Which Zelensky gave, saying that he had 57% approval rating. So now Trump can say: Look, if you have 57% approval rating, why do you shun elections?

And then Zelensky can say because our constitution says so.

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Well there's not much conspiracy theorizing. Politico article: >The top level of the Soviet diplomatic service arranged his 1987 Moscow visit. With assistance from the KGB. It took place while Kryuchkov was seeking to improve the KGB's operational techniques in one particular and sensitive area. The spy chief wanted KGB staff abroad to recruit more Americans... https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/19/trump…

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Cultivating is maybe a bit strong but befriending maybe. After that trip he ran ads opposing US overseas military spending so not so different to what we have now.

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As all conspiracy theories, this provides a simple explanation to circumstances that otherwise require complex answers, but it holds no water. The KGB was ineffective and inept. It didn't reach the masses, it didn't influence public opinion. Of course a former KGB agent selling his story must tell you otherwise, but most of these guys spent their whole career feigning successes to their superiors.

While they may feign success to their supervisors you need to look at the tangible results. They got germany to shut down their nuclear power plants and got the civil rights act passed. That's not ineffective.

If you think Chernobyl was orchestrated by the KGB, then yes. Sadly, I knew right away were this was heading. Ironically, Russia is more involved in pushing this false narrative than they were ever involved in the anti-nuclear power movement. And it only works by twisting facts. The Soviet Union tried to bolster the anti-nuclear arms movement, emphasize on arms, to stop the Americans from stationing nuclear weapons in Europe, which worried the Soviet leaders greatly - how Europe generates electricity was none of their worry. Lastly, nuclear disarmament is neither a KGB invention nor a KGB success.

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post #233

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Trump cited Russian propaganda of Zelensky‘s 4% approval rate. So where did he get that from?

He knows it's wrong. He wanted to elicit a counter statement from Zelensky. Which Zelensky gave, saying that he had 57% approval rating. So now Trump can say: Look, if you have 57% approval rating, why do you shun elections?

I honestly don’t get the impression that Trump is that strategic. He also usually doesn’t care if something is right or wrong, but only whether it supports his interests.
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