I don't get what's happening to civil liberty in Europe.
We can drink alcohol in outdoor public places, can Americans?
This is specific to each municipality/state. The United States federally has no laws regarding the outdoor consumption of alcohol.
Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row
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#432Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row
#433Earlier quoted context omitted.
Every time this argument comes up, I just feel like rolling eyes, it is so overplayed. Yes, in a direct confrontation and an all out war, the populace stands no chance against the US military (assuming the military will unwaveringly side against the populace), no argument there. But an all out war is not an option, the government wouldn’t be trying to pulverize an entire nation and leave a rubble in place. If you com…
I roll my eyes when I see this blissfully naive LARP/mallninja imagined scenario, but I do have to remind myself that the US was founded on the basis of forming a milita etc. and I would probably say the same thing if I had that upbringing. You forget that the vast majority of people are stupid and easily scared (this is not a solvable problem) Help me out - how can policing possibly work if no one is legally require…
This feels like a strawman because you’re only hypothesizing a situation in which it wouldn’t work well.
Imagine a dark future with a sudden military coup by a small faction of extreme radicals that 85% of the population opposes. could enough citizens rise up and stop them? Could the calculus of being that coup leader be changed by the likelihood that they will be assassinated in short order, by one of millions of potential assassins? Quite possibly. These are not everyday concerns, of course, but the concerns of dark and dangerous times. It’s a bit like buying life insurance: hopefully I never need it.
Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row
#434Too right, it was far more problematic than they ever made out. > The UK government's demand came through a "technical capability notice" under the Investigatory Powers Act (IPA), requiring Apple to create a backdoor that would allow British security officials to access encrypted user data globally. The order would have compromised Apple's Advanced Data Protection feature, which provides end-to-end encryption for iCl…
> have an Android device beside me that regularly asks me to back my device up to the cloud But is that backup encrypted? If it's not, all they need is to access your data. This is about having access to backups that are theoretically encrypted with a key Apple doesn't have? > We're talking about the largest back door I've ever heard of. Doesn't the US have access to all the data of non US citizens whose data is stor…
Android data isn't encrypted at rest (or at least not in a way Google doesn't have the key). If the uk gov has a warrant, they can ask Google to provide your Google Drive content. The whole point of this issue is Apple specifically designed ADP so they couldn't do that.
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#435Let's vote Labor and Liberal to keep the UK from going fascist on our data. Oh wait....shit.
The party most likely to cut this stuff out is Reform, although they'd probably be closer to ambivalent about it.
I’m pretty sure Reform would scrap this stuff, given the belief their part of politics has been a victim of these laws.
Also worth considering Lib Dem if you’re not into right wing politics- they did vote against the relevant investigatory powers act back in 2016.
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#436Earlier quoted context omitted.
Correct me if I'm wrong here, and maybe this is too charged for HN, but looking over at you guys from the US: The US has problems (don't get me wrong, look at our politics, enough said); but the UK seems to be speedrunning a collapse. The NHS having patients dying in hallways; Rotherham back in the popular mind; a bad economy even by EU standards; a massive talent exodus (as documented even on HN regarding hardware e…
I'm an immigrant to the UK. I have lived here permanently for 21 successive years, though I was actually in and out of the UK for years before that. My current anecdotal feeling about the UK is at a pretty low point. If it was an option, I would seriously look to emigrate again, but I honestly don't know where. The most appealing option for me is Australia, but my age works against me. I know everywhere has its issue…
Like most immigrants you were sold a lie. Enjoy.
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#437Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Doesn't the US have access to all the data of non US citizens whose data is stored in the US without any oversight? Totally agree. Having this discussion so US centred just makes us miss the forest for the trees. Apart from data owned by US citizens, my impression is that data stored in the US is fair game for three letter agencies, and I really doubt most companies would spend more than five minutes agreeing with…
International users that have Advanced Protection enabled would in theory be safe from all of the 3-letter agencies (like safe from those agencies getting the data from Apple...not safe generally). Realistically we are talking about FISA here, so in theory if the FBI gets a FISA court order to gather "All of the Apple account data" for a non-us person, Apple would either hand over the encrypted data OR just omit that…
Would your answer be the same if this encrypted data was stored in China instead of US?
I don't think messages should ever leave the device, if you want to migrate to a different device this could be covered by that user flow directly. Maybe you want to sync media like photos or videos shared on a group chat and I'm fine with that compromise but I see more risks than benefits on backing up messages on the cloud, no matter if it's encrypted or not.
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#438Presumably this applies to the iPhones owned by UK government ministers, civil servants, personal devices of military personnel, UK businesses, etc. As a brit, I find that my government's stupidity is almost its only reliable attribute.
Presumably not, politicians have a way of excepting themselves in these types of laws. It's almost as if they understand the need for privacy, they just fail to apply that understanding to any scenarios beyond their own.
"Presumably not"
Rubbish. Give me one example? They will have to abide as well.
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#439I'm sympathetic to the J.D. Vance angle, which is that European governments are increasingly scared of their own people. This is not doing a lot to change my mind.
This unexpected news really cemented that point for him.
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#440Is there a way for a UK iPhone to circumvent the warning and enable ADP? Like connecting through a VPN?