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"Ensuring Accountability for All Agencies" – Executive Order

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Post by rjbwork »

fjjjrjj wrote: post #405
globnomulous wrote: post #388

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I am independent and not a Democrat or a Republican because they are two sides of the same coin. The only sense in which this is true: the GOP are fascist, racist authoritarians who have waged a decades-long war on the middle and lower class; the Democrats aren't. If you think the Democrats and GOP are equally bad, you're out of your mind.

I don't think they are equally bad. GOP are rotten to the core. I don't understand why a new party has not formed to leave the batshit crazies behind.

> I don't understand why a new party has not formed to leave the batshit crazies behind.

Because when hyperspaces of political positions are projected onto a one dimensional binary, to choose to form a new party guarantees that one half of the hyperspace loses for a generation until there is a full party realignment. It is game theoretically sub-optimal in the short and medium terms, and depending on the effectiveness of your opponents, the long term as well.

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Post by beezlebroxxxxxx »

troupo wrote: post #383
hypeatei wrote: post #358

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it was definitely bad that Joe held on so long before letting Kamala run but incumbents lost globally[0], not just here in the US. People aren't happy with the effects COVID had, which is valid, but misplaced the blame which is how we got here. [0]: https://apnews.com/article/global-elections-2024-incumbents-...

It's definitely bad that Democrats could not come up with a single candidate, and a strategy for that candidate, but held on to Biden and then presented Kamala as a saviour when she was a meh candidate at best

They need to hold an actual primary.

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Post by phkahler »

fjjjrjj wrote: post #377
phkahler wrote: post #364

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Lying and blaming Ukraine for starting the war and taking sides with Russia puts blood on his hands. That an aggressor nation can walk into another country's sovereign territory and annex it with the blessing of a sitting US president is a disgrace.

>> That an aggressor nation can walk into another country's sovereign territory and annex it with the blessing of a sitting US president is a disgrace.

They did that first in 2014 under Obama, and again under Biden. The current situation has no criteria for an end - it's an endless conflict. Trump is going to move towards resolution of that and the fighting.

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Post by tiahura »

Zamaamiro wrote: post #258

This EO, combined with his proclamation that "He who saves the country does not violate any law" paint a very concerning picture. This has, historically speaking, been the language of tyrants. No President is above the law, nor does the President "interpret" the law; that is the domain of the Judiciary. “Wherever law ends, tyranny begins”

nor does the President "interpret" the law; that is the domain of the Judiciary.

That is incorrect, the president’s responsibility is to execute the laws of the United States. In order to execute a law, one must interpret it.

The exclusive domain of the judiciary is the power to adjudicate cases. In order to adjudicate a case involving a law, one must also interpret.

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Post by MichaelZuo »

tptacek wrote: post #378
axus wrote: post #327

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Supreme Court literally said that Trump has absolute immunity for criminal use of presidential power. Combined with the statistical impossibility of a 2/3 senate majority for impeachment, this is a license to grab as much power as that same court will allow.

Well, yes, that's how the system works: a determined President can, in fact, grab as much power as the Supreme Court will allow. That's literally what the Supreme Court is there for.

Yeah nearly all the discussion here seems circular…

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Post by philk10 »

bagels wrote: post #363
axus wrote: post #327

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Supreme Court literally said that Trump has absolute immunity for criminal use of presidential power. Combined with the statistical impossibility of a 2/3 senate majority for impeachment, this is a license to grab as much power as that same court will allow.

Republican Senators want this. It's not about statistics. They believe in this stupid Unitary Executive thing (aka, we should have a King).

Perfect timing when he's just tweeted out that he is The King

Re: "Ensuring Accountability for All Agencies" – Executive Order

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Post by johnsimer »

crooked-v wrote: post #422
johnsimer wrote: post #408

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I don't know why people are (reflexively?) downvoting our LLM summaries of the EO These LLMs score pretty highly on reading comprehension

If people want a zero-effort LLM summary, they can get one themselves.

the fact that the majority opinion on this thread seemingly does not even agree with Claude (which scores ~88% on MMLU (a measure of reading comprehension)) is a topic worth discussing

Re: "Ensuring Accountability for All Agencies" – Executive Order

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Post by tippytippytango »

dkobia wrote: post #128

This new administration lays bare what we've known all along - the legislative gridlock and dysfunction in the house of representatives and senate has made them completely incapable of governing -- the least productive in a generation. This is opened up an opportunity for a well funded strongman, and the checks and balances that were intended to protect our democracy are now mere suggestions.

The people are intuiting this. I think the next election cycle will see a left wing strongman put in. That one will do damage after cleaning up the damage from the current one. So we’ll yoyo back and forth between strongmen to get shit done because the legislative is useless. Because it’s better to yoyo between extremes than to sit in stagnation. We need some reform or we’re going to be stuck on this roller coaster for a long time.

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hayst4ck wrote: post #38

We have a government that has been completely capture by the elite. Democrats are the oligarchs good cops offering performative resistance while ultimately consenting to anything that boosts their brokerage accounts and re-election budgets, while republicans are the oligarchs bad cops, directly weakening regulation of those with power, protections for those without, and systematically destroying any force that can st…

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Re: "Ensuring Accountability for All Agencies" – Executive Order

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Post by jmyeet »

axus wrote: post #327
Zamaamiro wrote: post #258

This EO, combined with his proclamation that "He who saves the country does not violate any law" paint a very concerning picture. This has, historically speaking, been the language of tyrants. No President is above the law, nor does the President "interpret" the law; that is the domain of the Judiciary. “Wherever law ends, tyranny begins”

The Supreme Court literally said that Trump has absolute immunity for criminal use of presidential power. Combined with the statistical impossibility of a 2/3 senate majority for impeachment, this is a license to grab as much power as that same court will allow.

A competent Joe Biden would've taken that ruling, said "thank you very much" and "cleaned house" with Seal Team Six of select judges and politicians and then pardoned everyone involved.

The fact that SCOTUS wasn't even slightly concerned about that happening belies the problem: the Democrats are ineffectual by design. They knew Biden would throw his hands up citing "norms" and "institutions" as an excuse to do absolutely nothing.

SCOTUS completely invented a concept of presidential immunity out of thin air to derail the criminal prosecutions. They also deliberaly took their time. Remember when Jack Smith tried to appeal directly to SCOTUS because everyone knew it was going to end up there? Instead, SCOTUS put everything on hold for another 6 months as a delaying tactic.

Even then, the opinion is rushed and haphazard and not at all well thought out. Some in the conservative supermajority allegedly wanted to punt the issue to the next term.

The presidential immunity decision is so brazenly political. The Roberts court will go down in history for the kinds of awful decisions in the 1840s and 1850s that led up to the Civil War.

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