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To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by pohuing »

viceroyalbean wrote: post #245
rightbyte wrote: post #235

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It feels a bit counterintuitive to go for a Bluetooth speaker over 3.5mm? Your low tech car will feel like a emotional prison. Of all the annoying modernities you want the worst one? If you want to make a deal with the devil I would choose rear camera. Think about it. All the headache and time to pair Bluetooth devices over a dead simple connector. I would aim for a pre 2016 car. I think that has some margin to the I…

I would prefer 3.5mm over Bluetooth, but keep in mind most people get their music off their phones and (almost?) no modern phones have headphone jacks. Dongles are a thing, but meh. Additionally, modern Bluetooth devices have very little friction in my experience.

Even our Renault scenic from a decade ago seamlessly connects to my phone when I enter it.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by adverbly »

musikele wrote: post #165

Let's remove Musk from the equation, because you can like or (most probably) hate him, but I own a Tesla and I have the opposite experience. Everything worked out of the box. Just one piece of hardware started to fail (the charger plug making some noise) and they changed it in warranty. First: has the author tried a tesla before buying one? I'd never buy a car without trying it. Because comparing it to a Clio just be…

OP was not claiming that all cars they produce are lemons. They were claiming that the customer service is terrible if you get one that is.

> I have the opposite experience. Everything worked out of the box.

You did not have the opposite experience. You had no experience because nothing on your vehicle went seriously wrong.

I suspect the customer service might vary significantly across countries, but I can't speak to that myself.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by hnpolicestate »

dan-robertson wrote: post #334
voidUpdate wrote: post #226

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If I was to buy a car these days (which I'm not, I don't have nearly enough money for that), I'd want something with as little "computer" in it as possible. Just a box with 4 wheels and an engine, or maybe a battery and a motor, maybe a heater for when it gets a bit cold, and I'll throw a bluetooth speaker in the back seat if I need something to listen to

Just to note the trade-off here: modern cars are much safer in crashes than even cars from ~20 years ago, and the less computer you want, the further back in time you need to go to find suitable cars. There are nuances to the safety thing: some brands were/are safer, more popular car designs today tend to have some features that may worsen safety (taller cars are less stable, heavier cars handle worse, big heavy cars…

Perhaps structurally but the tech stuff isn't improving safety.

With the absolute slightest bit of fog, excessive humidity, rain or snow by Mazda tells me one of its radar systems isn't operable and to please drive safely.

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Post by neor »

mcv wrote: post #374
tomp wrote: post #350

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It's literally illegal. In the EU, it's illegal to sell cars that don't have back camera, not beeping if seatbelt not fastened, and not beeping if speed limit is exceeded.

Our new car beeps constantly for unclear reasons and doesn't explain why. It's not helpful and I'd like it to stop.

I've had a new Toyota Corolla over the weekend, and the beeps were driving me nuts.

The car reads signs, and beeps everytime it detects a change in speed limit. If you go over the speed limit, even if its 1 km/h the car starts beeping as well.

I never drive really fast, when the car says I'm driving 1 KM over the limit my GPS speed usually is 5 below. This makes the signals extra annoying.

They should have used beeps when you're 10 or more over the speed limit or something like that so you don't get spammed with notifications all the time. The system being as it is, I'm 100% sure I will get it removed by a tuning shop.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by DanielHB »

stackedinserter wrote: post #414
DanielHB wrote: post #295

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People tend to forget all the god awful server-side PHP/JSP/ASP slop of back in the day. I dunno, to me those days felt worse than today. But yeah, bad software is bad no matter the tech used.

I wish people opened their router UI more often to cure nostalgia.

If anything the current JS-centric world view at least puts someone in charge of the "user-facing" parts.

Before you had all these backend-focused people who despised building HTML pages in charge of user experience. You know the kind of people who think the user is the database not the actual users.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by prmoustache »

tacostakohashi wrote: post #383
prmoustache wrote: post #284

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My biggest issue with Tesla is not Musk, my biggest issue is owning a car that can be remotely tampered by Tesla and or the US government. On paper I am supposed to live in an allied country but Trump unilateraly decided that USA is at wars with everyone except Israel so I can't expect to be treated with respect by an US company. For this reason I have to remove all commercial ties with US companies and not buy anyth…

> For this reason I have to remove all commercial ties with US companies Good luck with that!

Not that hard really, at least in the short term and on personal level.

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Post by sshine »

theshrike79 wrote: post #319
aeyes wrote: post #304

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I doubt that they are any better because most of the issues are caused by poor design.

They do have less panel gaps and other minor flaws, because the people putting them together in Germany actually care (and have unions and proper working hours so they're not exhausted).

I also believe the amount of panel gaps varies a lot per factory.

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Post by sshine »

aredox wrote: post #290
sshine wrote: post #221

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Same experience with my 2022 Model Y: Have yet not had a single problem for two years. Surely the problem lies in a high variance in the production of later models. Like when you visit a stellar restaurant and come back years later to realize the magic sauce was a chef who left. Also, yes, it sounds risky to buy a car without being able to drive it back when it immediately breaks. I can also see myself as a victim of…

...Is this the new "works on my machine"?

Not exactly my point.

I meant to say: I think the quality varies both per factory and over time.

There's a lot of complexity in industrial production. From the outside it looks like there's only the classic and the revamped design., but I've heard that the internal components are often far from the same.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by benjiro »

TrackerFF wrote: post #63

A colleague of mine bought a Model 3, which he has mostly been happy with. But, since there aren't any dealerships / service points anywhere close, he has to drive 12 hours to the closest one. He got some error, I think it was the tire pressure sensors/tire pressure monitoring system, and had to drive 12 hours, sleep in hotel, and drive 12 hours back, to get that error fixed. Two days after he comes back home, a new…

> . I'm not even joking when I say that my electrical engineering and programming background has helped me more with fixing my car, than the mechanical skills I picked up in the garage. ¨

Exactly the same reason my dad did a total change in his profession (20 years as a car mechanic). He was fed up with all the electronics making his life as a mechanic more difficult then it needed to be, and that was like 20 years ago. He had those think diagram books and needed to constantly dig into them to figure out what sensor was on what for the onboard computer and other issues. What was a easy fix job, became a nightmary because the sensors / computer kept triggering when issues got fixed (or where never the actual issue but faulty sensors that randomly triggered).

Maybe today things are easier with VCDS tools, but in his days, it was manual work.

He became a IT helpdesk operator after reschooling. hahaha...

I had one of those cars, great car (toyota) but there was a sensor that just at random loved to trigger on exhaust mixture, and then power throttle the car. Even had a tool with me in the car, to reset it with my smartphone, whenever it trigger. It was not a sensor issue but too tight tolerances set from factory. It was cheaper to just reset it myself, then risk getting updated software to fix it (and potentially create new issues as i read some horror stories of people getting software updates for that issue).

I am still driving a 15 year old Opel, that has barely any electronics (compared to "modern" cars). I really do not see the benefits of newer cars. It drives me from A to B, with all the basic conforts, so why change?

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by starbugs »

wesselbindt wrote: post #425
starbugs wrote: post #407

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Have you ever brought a car through the German TÜV?

I haven't. Could we fast forward to the part where you explain why you think it's not a good proxy measure?

If you translate the article and read it, you will find that there are a lot of reported issues with the headlights. It is hard to find exact information on the actual issue in detail, but I'd suspect it's about the calibration of the headlights in most cases. That's a minor issue and calling it a reliability problem doesn't seem accurate. Also quite conveniently, they don't really mention that Teslas have significantly more mileage on average than other electric cars when they have their first TÜV visit. It's common for the German press to blow things like these out of proportion when they don't like a brand.

Also there's things like these which are way too common for my taste: https://www.spiegel.de/auto/aktuell/adac-skandal-gelber-enge...

I think the German car industry and the press around it as a whole have a serious corruption issue.

I am sure HN has made up their mind already and this discussion wouldn't have an effect on your opinion anyway, so please feel free to continue downvoting.

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