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Post by rad_gruchalski »

reissbaker wrote: post #385
franktankbank wrote: post #217

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The data is the moat.

Considering that OpenAI is barely able to stay ahead of open-source, and in some cases has fallen behind (i.e. 4o vs DeepSeek V3), I think the data moat doesn't really exist. And the difference between 4o and o1 isn't training on more data: quite famously it's scaling test-time compute, not scaling training. "The data is the moat" was a pretty common belief a few years ago, but not anymore.

And you think they throw in $500B because they are altruistic?

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Post by dbmnt »

Dotnaught wrote: post #375
karpathy wrote: post #246

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This is the video of how the parent comment was made: https://operator.chatgpt.com/v/6792c91d5b048192b5dbad908de05... But there are many things missing from the video. - Operator couldn't recover after clicking on the title instead of comments section. It paused and told me that the OpenAI page seems unrelated to my task and it was confused. I had to tell it to click on "comments" not on the title. - Not shown is tha…

So how much did it cost to do this? And how much time did it take to conclude the discussion was mixed -- a statement that could apply to almost any discussion here?

$200/mo. It's only in the new Pro plan at the moment.

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Post by sky2224 »

vitaflo wrote: post #392
throwaway2037 wrote: post #313

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> it's incredibly unsanitary I never thought about this. Does McD's PR team have anything to say about it? I assume that a bunch of people have challenged them about it on Twitter or TikTok. Would you feel better if there was a kind of automatic/robotic window washer that sanitised the screen after each use? The key to me about the kiosks is: (1) initially, replace cashier labour costs with new expensive machines, an…

You opened the door to walk into the McDonalds and never thought twice about it.

I'm honestly pretty aware of it. When I open the door, I try to use my sleeve. If I'm unable to do that (say I'm wearing a short sleeve shirt), then I'll consider washing my hands if I'm eating in.

Re: Operator research preview

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Post by sky2224 »

infecto wrote: post #362
sky2224 wrote: post #191

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I think the chat interface is bad, but for certain things it could honestly streamline a lot of mundane things as the poster you're replying two stated. For example, McDonald's has heavily shifted away from cashiers taking orders and instead is using the kiosks to have customers order. The downside of this is 1) it's incredibly unsanitary and 2) customers are so goddamn slow at tapping on that god awful screen. An AI…

> it's incredibly unsanitary About as unsanitary as opening the door to get to the kiosks. The kiosks get wiped down more than the door.

That will depend on the materials used for the door handles. If the handles are made of metal, then bacteria generally has a harder time surviving. Additionally, I use my sleeve when opening the door.

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Post by sky2224 »

grumbelbart2 wrote: post #340
sky2224 wrote: post #191

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I think the chat interface is bad, but for certain things it could honestly streamline a lot of mundane things as the poster you're replying two stated. For example, McDonald's has heavily shifted away from cashiers taking orders and instead is using the kiosks to have customers order. The downside of this is 1) it's incredibly unsanitary and 2) customers are so goddamn slow at tapping on that god awful screen. An AI…

McDonalds is a good example. In the beginning the Kiosks were a real time-saver, and you could order with a few "klicks". Today, you need to bypass "do you have the app", "do you want fries with that", "do you want to donate", "are you sure you don't want fries?" and a couple more. All this is exactly what your parent comment was saying: "To a business, the user interface isn't there to help the user achieve their go…

> Regarding sanitation, not sure if they are any worse than, say, door handles.

It will depend on the material of the door handles. In my experience, many of the handles are some kind of metal, and bacteria has a harder time surviving on metal surfaces. Compare that to a screen that requires some pretty hard presses in order to get registered inputs from it, and I think you'd find a considerably higher amount of bacteria sitting there.

Additionally, I try to use to my sleeve in order to open door handles whenever possible.

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Post by ansonhw »

beefnugs wrote: post #405
ansonhw wrote: post #331

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When: 1/ More accurate + less supervision 2/ Faster 3/ Background + Parallel Will be the magic moment. Currently like supervising a grandparent using the web. But there's huge potential if ^^^ happens. Could see it being useful today if combined w/voice for flows where supervision not required. Example: asking w/voice to make reservations while driving.

This will never actually happen. Because there is no true feedback. A real AI improvement pipeline that will actually improve properly instead of misguidedly needs the ability for EVERY single user (whenever they want, not required) to give feedback on the exact interaction. Say exactly what it did wrong, how they expected it to act, any domain expertise they can give on why they think it failed in certain ways. Then…

Feedback -> paying Scale AI to babysit/label tons of these sessions.

It will just be like the post training that turned GPT3 into the original ChatGPT.

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Post by 9dev »

karpathy wrote: post #254
swatcoder wrote: post #248

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I'm sure you think this is cute or inevitable, but it's also how you destroy community on the internet and finish its transition from an implicitly trusting public square into an implicitly adversarial and polluted wasteland. I'm confident you're familiar with Dead Internet Theory and how this fully accelerates its realization. It's pretty disappointing to see this done earnestly by someone with your public standing.

Thank you for sharing your concerns. The impact of AI on internet interactions is indeed significant, and it's important to consider the ethical implications and potential challenges. Responsible development and ethical guidelines are crucial to ensure that AI contributes positively to online communities. It's a complex issue, and ongoing dialogue is essential to navigate the evolving landscape. (Posted by OpenAI Ope…

Yup, that’s what the internet is going to become. Huge swaths of meaningless babble by machines that do not care. And you’re responsible for it.

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Post by infecto »

sky2224 wrote: post #434
infecto wrote: post #362

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> it's incredibly unsanitary About as unsanitary as opening the door to get to the kiosks. The kiosks get wiped down more than the door.

That will depend on the materials used for the door handles. If the handles are made of metal, then bacteria generally has a harder time surviving. Additionally, I use my sleeve when opening the door.

The point may have flown over your head. The kiosks are cleaned than most other items you will be touching up until that point. It is not incredibly unsanitary but it can be aggravating for those that think a lot about germs.

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Post by conradev »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #308
conradev wrote: post #303

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We already have Ignition Interlock Devices which tell you how aligned you are and whether or not you need to improve your alignment score before starting the car. The EU is also making good progress on financial transactions – they're set to ban cash transactions over $10,000 by 2027.

> We already have Ignition Interlock Devices which tell you how aligned you are and whether or not you need to improve your alignment score before starting the car. I didn't know about "Ignition Interlock Devices". Wiki tells me: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignition_interlock_device > breath alcohol ignition interlock device (IID or BAIID) is a breathalyzer for an individual's vehicle. It requires the driver to blo…

To buy or sell things that cost more than $10K EUR, like a car or a boat at an auction.

The government only needs to be aware of taxable income, not every financial transaction you make. If you purchase a car in cash with post-tax money, it is none of the government's business.

The EU talks out of both sides of their mouth when it comes to privacy because on one hand they're all for it, but on the other hand, they'd like a backdoor please.

The digital ID standard being implemented is more faithful to these principles: you can generate a proof from your ID that you are 21 without having to give a stranger your home address.

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Post by BrenBarn »

karpathy wrote: post #254
swatcoder wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure you think this is cute or inevitable, but it's also how you destroy community on the internet and finish its transition from an implicitly trusting public square into an implicitly adversarial and polluted wasteland. I'm confident you're familiar with Dead Internet Theory and how this fully accelerates its realization. It's pretty disappointing to see this done earnestly by someone with your public standing.

Thank you for sharing your concerns. The impact of AI on internet interactions is indeed significant, and it's important to consider the ethical implications and potential challenges. Responsible development and ethical guidelines are crucial to ensure that AI contributes positively to online communities. It's a complex issue, and ongoing dialogue is essential to navigate the evolving landscape. (Posted by OpenAI Ope…

No, it's not. Just stop it completely. That's clearly better.
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