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Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by wkat4242 »

ActionHank wrote: post #191
blixt wrote: post #156

Pretty interesting watching their tech explainers on YouTube about the changes in their AI solutions. Apparently they switched from CNNs to transformers for upscaling (with ray tracing support) if I understood correctly though for frame generation makes even more sense to me. 32 GB VRAM on the highest end GPU seems almost small after running LLMs with 128 GB RAM on the M3 Max, but the speed will most likely more than…

They are intentionally keeping the VRAM small on these cards to force people to buy their larger, more expensive offerings.

Well, they are gaming cards. 32GB is plenty for that.

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Post by rtkwe »

alkonaut wrote: post #420
rtkwe wrote: post #332

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Any the 4070 Super is relatively available too. I just bought one with only a small amount of hunting. Bought it right off of Best Buy, originally tried going to the Microcenter near my parent's house while I was down there but should have bought the card online for pickup. In the 2 days between my first check and arriving at the store ~20 cards sold.

What was the drop in 3070 pricing when the 4070 was released? We should expect a similar drop now I suppose?

It took a while according to the first price chart I found. The initial release of the 4070 Ti/FE in Jan 2023 didn't move the price much but the later release did start dropping the price. Nvidia cards are pretty scarce early in the generation so the price effect takes a minute to really kick into full force.

I just upgraded from a 2080 Ti I had gotten just a few weeks into the earliest COVID lockdowns because I was tired of waiting constantly for the next generation.

https://howmuch.one/product/average-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3070-...

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Post by wkat4242 »

ginko wrote: post #379
hibikir wrote: post #289

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If the VRAM wasn't small, the cards would all get routed to non gaming uses. Remember the state of the market when the 3000 series was new?

Then they should sell more of them.

They can only make so many, that's part of the problem

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Post by jandrese »

dabinat wrote: post #380
jbarrow wrote: post #288

The increasing TDP trend is going crazy for the top-tier consumer cards: 3090 - 350W 3090 Ti - 450W 4090 - 450W 5090 - 575W 3x3090 (1050W) is less than 2x5090 (1150W), plus you get 72GB of VRAM instead of 64GB, if you can find a motherboard that supports 3 massive cards or good enough risers (apparently near impossible?).

This is the #1 reason why I haven’t upgraded my 2080 Ti. Using my laser printer while my computer is on (even if it’s idle) already makes my UPS freak out. But NVIDIA is claiming that the 5070 is equivalent to the 4090, so maybe they’re expecting you to wait a generation and get the lower card if you care about TDP? Although I suspect that equivalence only applies to gaming; probably for ML you’d still need the highe…

The big grain of salt with that "the 5070 performs like a 4090" is that it is talking about having the card fake in 3 extra frames for each one it properly generates. In terms of actual performance boost a 5070 is about 10% faster than a 4070.

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Post by atq2119 »

Aardwolf wrote: post #273
dijit wrote: post #84

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From all the communication I’ve had with Nvidia, the prevailing sentiment was that the 4090 was an 8K card, that happened to be good for AI due to vram requirements from 8K gaming. However, I’m a AAA gamedev CTO and they might have been telling me what the card means to me .

Why does 8K gaming require more VRAM? I think the textures and geometry would have the same resolution (or is that not the case? but in 4K if you walk closer to the wall you'd want higher texture resolution as well anyway, if the graphics artists have made the assets at that resolution anyway) 8K screen resolution requires 132 megabytes of memory to store the pixels (for 32-bit color), that doesn't explain gigabytes…

When you render a higher resolution natively, you typically also want higher resolution textures and more detailed model geometry.

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Post by moogly »

throwaway314155 wrote: post #418
vonneumannstan wrote: post #306

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No gamers need such high VRAM, if you're buying Gaming cards for ML work you're doing it wrong.

> Gaming cards for ML work you're doing it wrong lol okay. "doing it wrong" for a tenth of the cost.

And screwing gamers over by raising the prices by 2x. Fuck that.

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Post by faebi »

ryao wrote: post #410
jbarrow wrote: post #288

The increasing TDP trend is going crazy for the top-tier consumer cards: 3090 - 350W 3090 Ti - 450W 4090 - 450W 5090 - 575W 3x3090 (1050W) is less than 2x5090 (1150W), plus you get 72GB of VRAM instead of 64GB, if you can find a motherboard that supports 3 massive cards or good enough risers (apparently near impossible?).

I wonder how many generations it will take until Nvidia launches a graphics card that needs 1kW.

I wish mining was still a thing, it was awesome to have free heating in the cold winter.

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Post by ryao »

wruza wrote: post #151
jsheard wrote: post #4

32GB of GDDR7 at 1.8TB/sec for $2000, best of luck to the gamers trying to buy one of those while AI people are buying them by the truckload. Presumably the pro hardware based on the same silicon will have 64GB, they usually double whatever the gaming cards have.

Why do you need one of those as a gamer? 1080ti was 120+ fps in heavy realistic looking games. 20xx RT slashed that back to 15 fps, but is RT really necessary to play games? Who cares about real-world reflections? And reviews showed that RT+DLSS introduced so many artefacts sometimes that the realism argument seemed absurd. Any modern card under $1000 is more than enough for graphics in virtually all games. The gamin…

> Any modern card under $1000 is more than enough for graphics in virtually all games. The gaming crisis is not in a graphics card market at all.

You will love the RTX 5080 then. It is priced at $999.

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Post by SirMaster »

snvzz wrote: post #31
kcb wrote: post #27

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No it's not. 2560x1440 has terrible PPI on larger screens. Either way with a 4k monitor you don't technically need to game at 4k as most intensive games offer DLSS anyway.

And FSR, which is cross gpu vendor.

Not anymore. FSR4 is AMD only, and only the new RDNA4 GPUs.

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Post by kllrnohj »

ryao wrote: post #428
kllrnohj wrote: post #155

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> It’s 3 extrapolated frames not interpolated. So would be reduced lag at the expense of greater pop-in. it's certainly not reduced lag relative to native rendering. It might be reduced relative to dlss3 frame gen though.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42623153

This isn't relevant to what I said?
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