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Re: Deepseek: The quiet giant leading China’s AI race

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Post by rangestransform »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #417
modeless wrote: post #145

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Software expands to fill the available resources. If you want more efficient software, build it on less powerful hardware. AI training runs are no exception!

That's not what "software engineers" in Silicon Valley or Redmond typically do. They write software that usurps other people's computing resources, e.g., CPU, storage and an internet connection that they do not pay for. It's one reason I use NetBSD, custom barebones Linux. I write and compile software on single core old computers and cheap eMMC laptops.

You have to value your own time better than that, at least professionally

There is a lot of fun to be had working with vintage hardware in spare time though

Re: Deepseek: The quiet giant leading China’s AI race

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Post by rangestransform »

suraci wrote: post #312
roca wrote: post #249

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If it's a democracy and reasonably friendly to the USA, it's not a big deal. In the 1990s everyone thought Japan was going to be the next superpower and that was just fine.

> If it's a democracy and reasonably friendly to the USA, it's not a big deal Correction: If it accepts the stationing of U.S. troops and succumbs to U.S. financial policies, it's not a big deal Japan and Germany have paid a huge price to demonstrate their friendship to the U.S. That was not 'just fine'

It’s a shame that Americans don’t reap the maximal benefits from it, but why should the hegemon not take advantage of lesser states?

Re: Deepseek: The quiet giant leading China’s AI race

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Post by rangestransform »

suraci wrote: post #315
kayewiggin wrote: post #220

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China's real estate prices having dropped 50% or more has been accompanied by/caused by wages being slashed 50% or more, and increasing unemployment rate, such as 30%+ for youth. Here are some good posts on why nobody wants deflation: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskEconomics/comments/uzq5bu/why_is... https://www.reddit.com/r/AskEconomics/comments/mbsxyl/can_so... https://www.reddit.com/r/AskEconomics/comments/yotf0c/i_d…

Your reference is a bs 'CCP is a secret and authoritarian regime that wields immense power' vs 'Some random reporter with English firstname and Chinese lastname know what Xi said before he go to bed' Have you ever wondered if there's a tiny possibility that the media and the reporter *might* be lying? ...

It’s definitely less rule by committee than the Hu administration, and even the Xi administration pre-deposing Li Keqiang

Re: Deepseek: The quiet giant leading China’s AI race

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Post by pmarreck »

JanisErdmanis wrote: post #83
pmarreck wrote: post #38

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Yes, but there should be a difference between providing answers about provably dangerous things and providing provably false answers for political reasons. For example if there is a Russian LLM that refuses to answer any questions about homosexuality while also saying it's wrong, that's demonstrably false from an empirical basis. But the western LLM's are also doing this latter type of thing already. If you ask any o…

> provably dangerous things If everyone would be able to agree on a single social welfare function, estimate behavioural changes at individual level for each LLM made responses and how that affects social welfare function then yes we could objectively tell whether the withheld answer is a censorship or safety feature.

that is a very interesting point! we would get along, lol

Re: Deepseek: The quiet giant leading China’s AI race

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Post by petesergeant »

antifa wrote: post #419
petesergeant wrote: post #351

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Yes but people want to immigrate to Italy and Germany, and emigrate from China

I've never heard of someone wanting to go to Italy for non-vacation reasons...

It’s the fourth largest economy in Europe (3rd in the EU), with strong rule of law, and half a million immigrants in 2022. It’s got the 2nd highest industrial base after Germany. Northern Italy is an absolute beast in most metrics, and Southern Italy is… something else.

Re: Deepseek: The quiet giant leading China’s AI race

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #417
modeless wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Software expands to fill the available resources. If you want more efficient software, build it on less powerful hardware. AI training runs are no exception!

That's not what "software engineers" in Silicon Valley or Redmond typically do. They write software that usurps other people's computing resources, e.g., CPU, storage and an internet connection that they do not pay for. It's one reason I use NetBSD, custom barebones Linux. I write and compile software on single core old computers and cheap eMMC laptops.

Based on the ones I have worked with and the news and commments I read on HN I do not consider "software engineers" to be professionals. I have personally seen how they waste enormous amounts of time.

Re: Deepseek: The quiet giant leading China’s AI race

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Post by pmarreck »

corimaith wrote: post #320
bobxmax wrote: post #257

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Yep. That's the best example - completely inundated with government propaganda, and yet millions of people are freely consuming it daily and shaping their world view around it. When you look at Reddit CEO's board affiliations, it starts to become clear this is not accidental.

It's funny how a poster talking about Westerners are completely inundated with propaganda has made previous comments such as: "The Chinese government treated the pandemic as a bioweapon attack by a foreign adversary engaged in a broader hybrid war, and it did so effectively"

That's just a factual statement. He wasn't agreeing with it, promoting it or lying about it. So... What, again?

Re: Deepseek: The quiet giant leading China’s AI race

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Post by pmarreck »

int_19h wrote: post #203
pmarreck wrote: post #38

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Yes, but there should be a difference between providing answers about provably dangerous things and providing provably false answers for political reasons. For example if there is a Russian LLM that refuses to answer any questions about homosexuality while also saying it's wrong, that's demonstrably false from an empirical basis. But the western LLM's are also doing this latter type of thing already. If you ask any o…

> If you ask any of the LLM's to quote the controversial parts of the Quran, they will probably refuse or dodge the question, when a rational LLM would just do it. Have you actually tried? https://chatgpt.com/share/67747021-3ac8-800e-bc5d-f4a1acf903...

Don't ask it for specific verses. Go fishing for a collection of them as a complete Quran neophyte. Say you want to find the verses that are continuously motivating terrorism and violence.

Re: Deepseek: The quiet giant leading China’s AI race

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Post by pmarreck »

Bilal_io wrote: post #46
pmarreck wrote: post #38

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Yes, but there should be a difference between providing answers about provably dangerous things and providing provably false answers for political reasons. For example if there is a Russian LLM that refuses to answer any questions about homosexuality while also saying it's wrong, that's demonstrably false from an empirical basis. But the western LLM's are also doing this latter type of thing already. If you ask any o…

Western LLMs have a bias when it comes to Israel and Palestine issue. Out of curiously, what part of the Quran do you consider controversial?

Surah 2:191, 3:28, 3:85, 5:33, 8:12, 8:60, 8:65, 9:5, 9:30, 9:123, 22:19, 47:4

for starters.

there are many more. and that's just the Quran. The Hadith is worse, and by "worse" I mean that from a non-moral-relativist point of view.

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