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Re: Gemini 2.0: our new AI model for the agentic era

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Post by nolist_policy »

internet_points wrote: post #414
modeless wrote: post #383

https://aistudio.google.com/live is by far the coolest thing here. You can just go there and share your screen or camera and have a running live voice conversation with Gemini about anything you're looking at. As much as you want, for free. I just tried having it teach me how to use Blender. It seems like it could actually be super helpful for beginners, as it has decent knowledge of the toolbars and keyboard shortcu…

I got so hopefuly by your comment I showed it my current bug that I'm working on, I even prepared everything first with my github issue, the relevant code, the terminal with the failing tests, and I pasted it the full contents of the file and explained carefully what I wanted to achieve. As I was doing this, it repeated back to me everything I said, saying things like "if I understand correctly you're showing me a fi…

You just rediscovered that LLMs become much stupider when using images as input. I think that has been already shown for gpt-4 as well.

Re: Gemini 2.0: our new AI model for the agentic era

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Post by jug »

ofermend wrote: post #320

Gemini-2.0-Flash does extremely well on the Hallucination Evaluation Leaderboard, at 1.3% hallucination rate https://github.com/vectara/hallucination-leaderboard

Speaking of which, I wonder how they'd do on SimpleQA. OpenAI is an outlier there in the negative sense vs Anthropic. This benchmark also deals with hallucination and "inappropriate certainty".

Re: Gemini 2.0: our new AI model for the agentic era

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Post by nolist_policy »

Huppie wrote: post #429
sky2224 wrote: post #397

Earlier quoted context omitted.

THIS is the thing I'm excited for with AI. I'm someone that becomes about 5x more productive when I have a person watching or just checking in on me (even if they're just hovering there). Having AI to basically be that "parent" to kick me into gear would be so helpful. 90% of the time my problems are because I need someone to help keep the gears turning for me, but there isn't always someone available. This has the p…

Just as an FYI: I recently learned (here on HN) that this is called Body Doubling[0] there's some services around (there's at least one by someone that hangs around here) that can do this too. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_doubling

Also, there are co-working spaces in VRChat, which works wonders for me.

I went to the Glass Office co-working space to study for exams this summer and it worked out really well. I also met some nice people there.

A standalone Quest 3 is enough to get you started.

Re: Gemini 2.0: our new AI model for the agentic era

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Post by fluoridation »

pjmlp wrote: post #375
fluoridation wrote: post #260

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Only because they operate different businesses. Google is primarily a service provider. They have few software products that are not designed to integrate with their servers. Many of Microsoft's businesses work fundamentally differently. There's nothing Microsoft could do to Windows to disable all MFC applications and only MFC applications, and if there was it would involve more work than simply not doing anything el…

Not only has MFC been recently updated to support HiDPI, it is still the best Microsoft GUI C++ development experience on Visual C++. And even if C++/CX and C++/WinRT aren't that great, with worse tooling than MFC and in maintenance mode, you can easilly create an application with them today. Hardly the same can be told of most Google technologies.

Fair enough, I retract MFC as an example.

Re: Gemini 2.0: our new AI model for the agentic era

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Post by dtquad »

nolist_policy wrote: post #431
internet_points wrote: post #414

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I got so hopefuly by your comment I showed it my current bug that I'm working on, I even prepared everything first with my github issue, the relevant code, the terminal with the failing tests, and I pasted it the full contents of the file and explained carefully what I wanted to achieve. As I was doing this, it repeated back to me everything I said, saying things like "if I understand correctly you're showing me a fi…

You just rediscovered that LLMs become much stupider when using images as input. I think that has been already shown for gpt-4 as well.

Even when using the web search tool GPT-4 becomes stupider.

Do they use a dumber model for tool/vision?

Re: Gemini 2.0: our new AI model for the agentic era

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Post by nanna »

egeozcan wrote: post #158
StableAlkyne wrote: post #152

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> Remains to be seen how well they will be able to productize and market The challenge is trust. Google is one of the leaders in AI and are home to incredibly talented developers. But they also have an incredibly bad track record of supporting their products. It's hard to justify committing developers and money to a product when there's a good chance you'll just have to pivot again once they get bored. Say what you w…

> they also have an incredibly bad track record of supporting their products Incredibly bad track record of supporting products that don't grow . I'm not saying this to defend Google, I'm still (perhaps unreasonably) angry because of Reader, it's just that there is a pattern and AI isn't likely to fit that for a long while.

Please can we just get over Reader. Please. Yes it was devastating for RSS, but the debacle took place eleven years ago. Enough.

Re: Gemini 2.0: our new AI model for the agentic era

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Post by mklepaczewski »

sky2224 wrote: post #397
modeless wrote: post #383

https://aistudio.google.com/live is by far the coolest thing here. You can just go there and share your screen or camera and have a running live voice conversation with Gemini about anything you're looking at. As much as you want, for free. I just tried having it teach me how to use Blender. It seems like it could actually be super helpful for beginners, as it has decent knowledge of the toolbars and keyboard shortcu…

THIS is the thing I'm excited for with AI. I'm someone that becomes about 5x more productive when I have a person watching or just checking in on me (even if they're just hovering there). Having AI to basically be that "parent" to kick me into gear would be so helpful. 90% of the time my problems are because I need someone to help keep the gears turning for me, but there isn't always someone available. This has the p…

Interesting! I see how this could work for inattentive procrastinators. By "inattentive procrastinators", I mean people who are easily distracted and forget that they need to work on their tasks. Once reminded, they return to their tasks without much fuss.

However, I doubt it would work for hedonistic procrastinators. When body doubling, hedonistic procrastinators rely on social pressure to be productive. Using AI likely won't work unless the person perceives the AI as a human.

Re: Gemini 2.0: our new AI model for the agentic era

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Post by egeozcan »

nanna wrote: post #436
egeozcan wrote: post #158

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> they also have an incredibly bad track record of supporting their products Incredibly bad track record of supporting products that don't grow . I'm not saying this to defend Google, I'm still (perhaps unreasonably) angry because of Reader, it's just that there is a pattern and AI isn't likely to fit that for a long while.

Please can we just get over Reader. Please. Yes it was devastating for RSS, but the debacle took place eleven years ago. Enough.

You are not wrong, but my irrational mind is unlikely to take your advice. Try treating it as a meme, rather than anything belonging to a sane discussion. For me, I don't think I'll ever get over it.

I'm sorry.

Re: Gemini 2.0: our new AI model for the agentic era

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Post by fluoridation »

codebolt wrote: post #380
fluoridation wrote: post #198

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>Say what you will about Microsoft, but at least I can rely on their obsession with supporting outdated products. Eh... I don't know about that. Their tech graveyard isn't as populous as Google's, but it's hardly empty. A few that come to mind: ATL, MFC, Silverlight, UWP.

.NET Framework is the most egregious of the last few years.

You're absolutely right. I wasn't thinking about it when I wrote the comment, but I really should have included it. I'm still pissed about that, and I don't like how Core releases are deprecated in 1-2 years. For my personal projects that's a breakneck pace.
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