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Two informational live threads:

https://bsky.app/profile/antonhur.com/post/3lcfxpcpmuc24

https://bsky.app/profile/sarahjeong.bsky.social/post/3lcfxvf...

My understanding based on just finding out about this and skimming a bit:

President declared martial law to distract from some embarrassing thing

Military starts enforcing

Assembly votes to outlaw martial law

Military stands down

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The leader of his own party reportedly called it unconstitutional and vowed to stop it, so I don't think his route to rigging a Parliamentary vote in his favour is an easy one.

> I don't think his route to rigging a Parliamentary vote in his favour is an easy one The classic move is to block the legislature from assembling while one gets around to dissolving it.

The standard constitutional remedy is to have martial law automatically expire after a few days (without being able to be imposed afterwards for a while, etc.) unless the parliament votes to confirm it. But apparently South Korea doesn’t have anything like that.

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Help me understand why US should be world police.

They have the most power so they tend to get stuck with the job. I sometimes think we could do with more of an official designed for purpose world police.

Power is a prerequisite for the job. Any attempt to design a replacement would only be as useful as the power that the designers wield.

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> You have an extremely unpopular leader trying to sieze power by force, presumably soon banning opposition parties and more By this logic America won when Assad won the Syrian civil war. In geopolitics, power trumps popularity.

Very ironic given the ruling party in SK is called "People Power".

more or less ironic than the official name of their northern neighbor, the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea?

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Yonhap (Korea state news) : The National Assembly voted Wednesday to demand President Yoon Suk Yeol lift emergency martial law. Under the Constitution, martial law must be lifted when a parliamentary majority demands it. Of the 300 members of parliament, 190 were present and all 190 voted in favor of a motion demanding the lifting of martial law. With the motion's passage, the martial law declaration is void, accordi…

Last time I checked, access to the national assembly palace was being blocked : https://bsky.app/profile/sung-il-kim.com/post/3lcfskluuwc26

Any idea how and why it was unblocked ? Anyone with more context ?

EDIT: This is the first I cannot think of any reason for getting a downvote... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Yonhap (Korea state news) : The National Assembly voted Wednesday to demand President Yoon Suk Yeol lift emergency martial law. Under the Constitution, martial law must be lifted when a parliamentary majority demands it. Of the 300 members of parliament, 190 were present and all 190 voted in favor of a motion demanding the lifting of martial law. With the motion's passage, the martial law declaration is void, accordi…

Despite the National Assembly's resolution to end martial law, the military stated that it would remain in effect until ended by the president

>Martial law will remain until the president lifts martial law"...Armored vehicles also seen in the city center

https://m.ytn.co.kr/news_view.php?s_mcd=0101&key=20241204013...

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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De Gaulle was called by the president of the 4th republic to counter the military insurgents. De Gaulle had sufficient charisma and status to calm down the military. When the military woke up again in 62 in Algiers, De Gaulle crushed them. You got it reversed.

Well, the explicit demands of the 1958 coup was to put him in place, and in that sense it did succeed - now, whether or not he participated in the planning of it is basically a mystery, but it does seem plausible (even though there is, to my knowledge, no proof of this) simply on the basis that he was the direct beneficiary of it. Additionally, during the 1958 coup itself he did basically give his support for it in t…

Thanks, that's also my understanding of the events.

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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And a similar rule that at least one person will defend Russia, regardless of how truthful the accusations are. And in this particular case, NK troops fighting in a land war in Europe at Russia's side is a major geopolitical shift, whether you agree or not.

It’s a big shift, but from a NK/SK standpoint probably the bigger issue is what exactly NK got in exchange for the massive ammunition deliveries and the tens of thousands of troops they sent to die in Ukraine. Whatever it is, it must be pretty big, perhaps advanced missile technology, maybe even new types of nuclear weapons. Either way it’s bound to significantly change the balance of power on the Korean Peninsula.

How about just basic energy inputs like fuel and fertilizer? This is a country that is so abysmally poor the state has a feces collection quota. Peasants must collect their daily dumps and give them to the state for use in the field or suffer the wrath of the local DPRK gangster.[0]

[0]https://www.rfa.org/english/news/korea/manure-02012022130916...

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Yonhap (Korea state news) : The National Assembly voted Wednesday to demand President Yoon Suk Yeol lift emergency martial law. Under the Constitution, martial law must be lifted when a parliamentary majority demands it. Of the 300 members of parliament, 190 were present and all 190 voted in favor of a motion demanding the lifting of martial law. With the motion's passage, the martial law declaration is void, accordi…

Despite the National Assembly's resolution to end martial law, the military stated that it would remain in effect until ended by the president >Martial law will remain until the president lifts martial law"...Armored vehicles also seen in the city center https://m.ytn.co.kr/news_view.php?s_mcd=0101&key=20241204013...

Seems like everybody's staking out all-in positions here. Those military officials are certainly aware of what generally happens to perpetrators of failed coups.

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Despite the National Assembly's resolution to end martial law, the military stated that it would remain in effect until ended by the president >Martial law will remain until the president lifts martial law"...Armored vehicles also seen in the city center https://m.ytn.co.kr/news_view.php?s_mcd=0101&key=20241204013...

Seems like everybody's staking out all-in positions here. Those military officials are certainly aware of what generally happens to perpetrators of failed coups.

As the saying goes- If you aim for the king, you better not miss
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