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Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by chgs »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #391
geniusplanmate wrote: post #386

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At the moment, Russia has fully conquered (and integrated into their nation) 20% of the largest country in Europe. They seem intent on going for about 50% of it. US cannot claim a single victory in the past 4 decades, it's been debacle after debacle.

> US cannot claim a single victory in the past 4 decades, it's been debacle after debacle Militarily? You've got to be joking. Russia is still struggling with the military part of the campaign. Russia's "top of the line" weapons are routinely being potted by decades-old NATO kit. They are a spent force, conventionally. The military turned from a fighting force into a propaganda tool, aimed at projecting masculinity t…

Looks to me that Russia is winning the war of attrition. Is that view inaccurate?

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by brnt »

gorbachev wrote: post #299
Etheryte wrote: post #242

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This is a misleading framing. The two cables last year were not taken out by an anchor as an accident, it was literally a ship putting down its anchor just before the cable and then dragging it over the cable. In other words, sabotage. There's no point in trying to color any of this with rose tinted glasses when it's clear who's done it and why.

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As is usually the case, before a crime is investigated.

Hence investigations, good detectives, good hunches, etc.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by brnt »

Aloisius wrote: post #360
Etheryte wrote: post #242

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This is a misleading framing. The two cables last year were not taken out by an anchor as an accident, it was literally a ship putting down its anchor just before the cable and then dragging it over the cable. In other words, sabotage. There's no point in trying to color any of this with rose tinted glasses when it's clear who's done it and why.

> it was literally a ship putting down its anchor just before the cable and then dragging it over the cable I don't understand. That's how I'd expect most accidents to happen. Someone decides to anchor too close to an undersea cable, the anchor fails to hold and the drifting ship drags the anchor over the cable damaging it. I'm not saying it wasn't sabotage, but there needs to be something a bit more than that. Sourc…

Yeah if I could just anchor these boats right when its windy just over your cables that'd be great.

Whoopsy, well would you ever!

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by ashoeafoot »

Maxion wrote: post #430
Aloisius wrote: post #360

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> it was literally a ship putting down its anchor just before the cable and then dragging it over the cable I don't understand. That's how I'd expect most accidents to happen. Someone decides to anchor too close to an undersea cable, the anchor fails to hold and the drifting ship drags the anchor over the cable damaging it. I'm not saying it wasn't sabotage, but there needs to be something a bit more than that. Sourc…

The case last year with the gas pipeline, the Chinese / Russian owned left Kaliningrad, and then while sailing, dropped its anchor before the pipeline and cable, and then dragged it over them, and then raised it. It was apparently accidental, yet both the Chinese and Russians didn't want the crew interviewed, the Estonian and the Finnish authorities both shrugged and didn't really care, and the Estonian energy prices…

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Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by hem777 »

Hizonner wrote: post #349
dzhiurgis wrote: post #135

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Interesting twist… I chose “provocation” because thats what russians often use (and call for nuking west pretty much every day for decades now).

> and call for nuking west The number one most noticeable English mistake Russians tend to make is dropping articles all the time...

Number two is calling for nukes, anywhere by anybody. Nobody else brings that to the conversation.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by bashwizard »

gorbachev wrote: post #299
Etheryte wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a misleading framing. The two cables last year were not taken out by an anchor as an accident, it was literally a ship putting down its anchor just before the cable and then dragging it over the cable. In other words, sabotage. There's no point in trying to color any of this with rose tinted glasses when it's clear who's done it and why.

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And then there's common sense. Something most people seems to lack.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by lottin »

petre wrote: post #398
jojobas wrote: post #342

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Western countries have intelligence services with sabotage departments and in general are not above blowing up things their leaders don't like. If the CIA or US Navy don't have the technical means to blow up the Crimea bridge with plausible deniability they haven't been paying attention.

Thry do but it only benefits Ukraine. So they're the ones who should blow it up, preferably with with weapons of their own in order to avoid NATO escalation. Just lke the Moskva sinking.

How does destroying the Crimea bridge not benefit the West? They destroy our infrastructure, we destroy theirs. That's the whole idea.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by wbl »

petre wrote: post #128
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #119

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> what's left? The other pipelines. Their shadow oil fleet. There are lots of options. But to my knowledge, only the British, French and Americans are capable of the long-range clandestine operations.

Their shadow oil fleet is operated by third parties and shell companies. We are dealing with a mafia state here. https://windward.ai/knowledge-base/illuminating-russias-shad...

They sink just the same.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by andy_ppp »

trhway wrote: post #427
chgs wrote: post #426

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Still waiting for Russian forces to occupy Kyiv

I suggest you revisit the history of the first days of the invasion, specifically the depth which the ground armored forces reached in the first 2-3 days and what and how they were stopped. The Baltic states "width" is much smaller, and thus there is much less time to organize defense, etc. It is hardly enough time even just for taking the decision to initiate defense. Of course, like in the case with Ukraine, Russia…

I’m sure they have a plan to deal with this and loads of NATO troops there armed to the teeth and air superiority so it will be shooting fish in a barrel. We don’t know what will happen but I’m not sure cutting the internet won’t affect Russia pretty badly too - certainly China will not be a fan of the huge disruption it will cause them too.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by VagabundoP »

trhway wrote: post #427
chgs wrote: post #426

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Still waiting for Russian forces to occupy Kyiv

I suggest you revisit the history of the first days of the invasion, specifically the depth which the ground armored forces reached in the first 2-3 days and what and how they were stopped. The Baltic states "width" is much smaller, and thus there is much less time to organize defense, etc. It is hardly enough time even just for taking the decision to initiate defense. Of course, like in the case with Ukraine, Russia…

We had plenty of warning they were going to invade. The units didn't just pop out of nowhere.

Any build up on those borders is now going to be interpreted in that way and you'll have a likely reaction from NATO all across the eastern front.

I doubt they would get very far.

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