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Steve Ballmer was an underrated CEO

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Re: Steve Ballmer was an underrated CEO

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #427
71bw wrote: post #375

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It's none of your business to ever tip anywhere UNLESS you explicitly want to thank somebody for their service. How hard is that to understand? It is the workplace's responsibility to pay their staff adequately. NOT YOURS. 0% tip all the way everywhere. No matter if I have $10 or $10k on the bill.

This is a pretty heartless reply. I will be downvoted for expressing my view here. > It is the workplace's responsibility to pay their staff adequately. NOT YOURS. Yeah, except that most of these (low income/low skill) service workers don't have the negotiation power to change this power dynamic. Thus, you, someone with enough means to eat out, can offset that gap, just a little bit, by tipping.

I don't think you're wrong, but I can't help thinking that the tip money would be better off funnelled towards political change.

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Post by 71bw »

Kuraj wrote: post #116
GuB-42 wrote: post #84

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Don't forget gaming. Gaming on Linux is possible but Windows still has the advantage in both software and hardware support. I particularly like the video series from LinusTechTips where they try to use Linux as their daily driver because it is very telling. They manage to do stuff, but it isn't great. I find it interesting because it is done from the point of view of computer enthusiasts but not IT professionals or p…

I don't think calling gaming on linux "possible" gives it the justice it deserves, with the arrival of the Steam Deck and all the improvements Valve contributed to the upstream. The experience is practically _seamless_. I agree though that linux _on desktop_ is pretty janky, or at least it always was for me, having tried daily driving numerous distros.

>The experience is practically _seamless_.

IF you buy through Steam. IF you have an AMD GPU. IF by seamless you mean that regardless of the aforementioned BIG assumptions you still have to go and play with winetricks or whatever to get some stuff working and it can take you hours of tinkering.

Re: Steve Ballmer was an underrated CEO

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Post by master-lincoln »

meiraleal wrote: post #421
71bw wrote: post #375

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It's none of your business to ever tip anywhere UNLESS you explicitly want to thank somebody for their service. How hard is that to understand? It is the workplace's responsibility to pay their staff adequately. NOT YOURS. 0% tip all the way everywhere. No matter if I have $10 or $10k on the bill.

> It's none of your business to ever tip anywhere UNLESS you explicitly want to thank somebody for their service. How hard is that to understand? That's exactly the point? Buying iced tea everyday for some time means that he liked it. Not showing appreciation to something he clearly appreciates

I also use that one park garage all the time and my streets are snow plowed and I appreciate that. Still I don't know anyone who tips those workers. Do they provide less service than the person making me a drink?

I personally only tip if service was extraordinary and I appreciated it. Which is once a full moon at best

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

pheatherlite wrote: post #364
godelski wrote: post #245

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Everyone, chill Regardless of how you feel about tipping culture we're not talking about the average person nor are we talking about the average * experience* . The dude is worth north of $100bn, and is making nearly $10k per minute![0]. Someone who cannot spend his wealth. Someone who'd have to spend tens of millions of dollars every single day just to stop his wealth from growing. Someone who makes money faster tha…

That's not the point, though. It's not how generous he is with his money. It's how he sees money, its purpose in his life. People who see wealth as a force multiplier don't gorm habits of being careless with it. Just like you see people who have no money live pay check to pay check, take on debt just to assume a class they don't exist in. Yet you used to see Bezos in a camry and Buffet in some equally run of the mill…

> Tipping is a ridiculous notion that the wealthy can see through, while the rest of us are too brainwashed to objectively analyze

Tipping culture is quite different in the Americas than it is in e.g. the UK. I don't think it takes much effort to analyse that the winners of tipping culture are the restaurant/bar owners as they don't have to pay their staff properly and can avoid tax.

Whilst I don't like tipping culture, I think there's a different reason as to why billionaires might not tip - greed. Normal people would never get to be a billionaire as it takes a particular kind of greed to have millions of dollars and to be determined to hoard even more money when you know full well that it's often made by exploiting the employees that made you all those millions. It's a very nasty, selfish form of hoarding that hurts society, so don't be surprised when billionaires demonstrate that they don't care about anyone else.

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Post by rowanG077 »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #427
71bw wrote: post #375

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's none of your business to ever tip anywhere UNLESS you explicitly want to thank somebody for their service. How hard is that to understand? It is the workplace's responsibility to pay their staff adequately. NOT YOURS. 0% tip all the way everywhere. No matter if I have $10 or $10k on the bill.

This is a pretty heartless reply. I will be downvoted for expressing my view here. > It is the workplace's responsibility to pay their staff adequately. NOT YOURS. Yeah, except that most of these (low income/low skill) service workers don't have the negotiation power to change this power dynamic. Thus, you, someone with enough means to eat out, can offset that gap, just a little bit, by tipping.

And keep this twisted system in place. The only way for it to finally collapse is if people stop always tipping. To me that's truly heartless.

Re: Steve Ballmer was an underrated CEO

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

switch007 wrote: post #329
not_a_bot_4sho wrote: post #124

Funny story. I used to see Steve almost every weekday for a couple of years. I can't speak to his business skills, but I can attest that he never once offered a tip for his daily black iced tea. We'd even have it ready for him before he showed up so he never had to wait! He would pay with cash, and I'd hand him his change and drink, and that was that. It's funny to me now: one of the richest men in the world and he n…

Rich people are the most oddly tight people I've ever met. They'll buy a £5m house one day then the next spend 30 minutes arguing with the gardener that the broken 10 year old mower should just work and most definitely doesn't need replacing

Boris Johnson (ex-Prime Minister) is the classic example here in the UK. Fantastically wealthy, yet infamous for stiffing other people with the bill and never paying them back.

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Post by grecy »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #427
71bw wrote: post #375

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's none of your business to ever tip anywhere UNLESS you explicitly want to thank somebody for their service. How hard is that to understand? It is the workplace's responsibility to pay their staff adequately. NOT YOURS. 0% tip all the way everywhere. No matter if I have $10 or $10k on the bill.

This is a pretty heartless reply. I will be downvoted for expressing my view here. > It is the workplace's responsibility to pay their staff adequately. NOT YOURS. Yeah, except that most of these (low income/low skill) service workers don't have the negotiation power to change this power dynamic. Thus, you, someone with enough means to eat out, can offset that gap, just a little bit, by tipping.

> Yeah, except that most of these (low income/low skill) service workers don't have the negotiation power to change this power dynamic.

And by tipping you are keeping it so they can just afford to keep making ends meet, thus enabling the status quo.

It could be argued you are continuing the problem.

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Post by vasco »

YawningAngel wrote: post #417
71bw wrote: post #375

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It's none of your business to ever tip anywhere UNLESS you explicitly want to thank somebody for their service. How hard is that to understand? It is the workplace's responsibility to pay their staff adequately. NOT YOURS. 0% tip all the way everywhere. No matter if I have $10 or $10k on the bill.

There are lots of instances in which it is in fact your responsibility to pay the staff and if you choose to ignore that fact and stiff them that's on you

If you didn't employ them you don't have to pay their salary, or even know how to start to evaluate what that would be.

Re: Steve Ballmer was an underrated CEO

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Post by 71bw »

YawningAngel wrote: post #417
71bw wrote: post #375

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's none of your business to ever tip anywhere UNLESS you explicitly want to thank somebody for their service. How hard is that to understand? It is the workplace's responsibility to pay their staff adequately. NOT YOURS. 0% tip all the way everywhere. No matter if I have $10 or $10k on the bill.

There are lots of instances in which it is in fact your responsibility to pay the staff and if you choose to ignore that fact and stiff them that's on you

> There are lots of instances in which it is in fact your responsibility to pay the staff

For example?

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