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Re: "Begin disabling installed extensions still using Manifest V2 in Chrome stable"

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If anyone has any guides or blogs related to migrating away from Chrome for a multi-decade user (thousands of bookmarks, saved pages/read later, etc.) I would sure be interested. Every time I try to migrate my very large bookmark collection to another browser, it either misbehaves and partially loses some data or fails completely.

>Every time I try to

It would be good to know what not-chromes you have tried, so as not to suggest 'x', which may have not worked for you.

Re: "Begin disabling installed extensions still using Manifest V2 in Chrome stable"

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I see boatloads of ads in Safari on iOS. To the point that web browsing on my phone is intolerable, so I don't do it.

Which adblocker are you using? I have adguard and dont get ads on most safari sites but its just static DNS blocking so first party ad servers like youtube dont get blocked.

Why should I need an adblocker app from some third party to which I have to grant full control over my browser? Apple would be enormously popular if they included one by default. Perhaps as an option you could disable. I don't know why all browsers don't do this (well, I know why Chrome doesn't).

Browsers are selected by users, they should have no obligation to show ads.

Brave is the only one doing this right AFAIK.

Almost all the problems with tracking and buying and selling user profiles would end if browsers just didn't show ads.

Re: "Begin disabling installed extensions still using Manifest V2 in Chrome stable"

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The technologies themselves are mostly a good idea. The problem is that the companies designing them also like to abuse them. Take, for example, hardware attestation on android. There's not really any serious issue with this feature, it can be used to ensure your device is not compromised. This is for example how GrapheneOS enables its use with the auditor application. But, on the other hand, Google abuses the featur…

No disagreement here, although if past experience has proven anything I think it's that companies will abuse whatever "security features" they can to accomplish their objectives. It reminds me a lot of the old adage, "the same wall can keep people in just like it can keep people out." When the OS is fundamentally in the user's control, they are limited in what they can do, but when the OS disregards it's owners prefe…

> I absolutely agree with this in theory, but in practice I'm not sure it would ever work because they just aren't going to put in the work to build and maintain APIs for things they don't care about, and there would be a very long tail of things to do (and sometimes those things are legitimately a lot of work). Call recording being a classic example.

I thought about this a bit and I think that at the end of the day, the entire OS is just a bunch of these APIs. And I do think there's even a market for these APIs, they just don't want to set that precedent, I don't think it has anything to do with it being a lot more work than anything else they expose. They already have some very privileged APIs you can bless some apps (e.g. think of MDM) except not for everything and in the case of the MDM APIs it's very difficult to use it as a normal end-power-user.

Re: "Begin disabling installed extensions still using Manifest V2 in Chrome stable"

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It was only true that Chrome was significantly superior (performance-wise, anyway) for a little while. Firefox had to play catch up and it took several years. It was (mostly) called the "electrolysis" (a.k.a., "e10s") project. It was considered complete by 2018, and had already offered significant performance and stability improvements for years before then. I wouldn't be surprised if Chrome still performs better on…

> I wouldn't be surprised if Chrome still performs better on Google-owned web sites, for obvious reasons. Most websites (except for those doing some really fancy stuff with new experimental web apis) tend to work just fine in Firefox. Google's sites are the only ones I regularly encounter that perform terribly and leak memory continuously.

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Re: "Begin disabling installed extensions still using Manifest V2 in Chrome stable"

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Hopefully this is the inflection point for Chrome. Despite all their made-up "security" reasons, everyone knows this is solely about making adblock less effective. For many users, adblock is what makes chrome bearable - and if they make it unbearable, then those users will leave. Slowly but surely. Google seems much too sure of itself making this change. I hope their arrogance pays off just the same as Microsoft's di…

Manifest v3 changes are pretty reasonable. Declarative filtering that prevents untrustworthy software from getting access to data is objectively a good thing.

It's just that uBlock Origin is so important and trusted it should have access to everything. Truth be told it should be literally built into the browser itself and deeply integrated with it. Only conflicts of interest prevent that. Can't trust an ad company to maintain ad blockers after all.

Re: "Begin disabling installed extensions still using Manifest V2 in Chrome stable"

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Agreed on hoping this is the inflection point, but only partial agreement that it's about adblock. For sure Google wants adblock to die, but I think it goes even deeper than that. I think it's part of a much bigger trend in tech in general but also in Google: Removing user control. When you look at the "security" things they are doing, many of them have a common philosophy underpinning them that the user (aka device…

> To all the engineers working on this stuff, I hope you're happy that your work is essentially destroying the world that you and I grew up in. That was a world where the user base was much more limited and devices were less capable. Now we have children, grandparents, educated, and uneducated users with access to web connected devices. These devices now contain everything about you. Compromise of a device can destro…

> Compromise of a device can destroy someone’s life.

So in order to prevent a hypothetical hacker bogeyman from getting our data we gladly entrust it to corporations that actively squeeze every possible cent out of it by, among other things, giving access to it to other corporations and uncountable "partners" that will feed us content with the goal of psychologically manipulating us into buying things we don't need, or thinking things someone else wants us to think, destroying the very fabric of society in the process.

I somehow find all of that delusional, our acceptance and support of it nightmarish, and trust hackers to be less diabolical in their schemes.

Computers should serve us, not the other way around. The solution to these problems is tech education, not tech babysitters.

Re: "Begin disabling installed extensions still using Manifest V2 in Chrome stable"

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Well Vivaldi is open source, right? Personally I would be reaching out to Brave, who already plans on maintaining V2 support, and see about a joint venture with a forked chromium.

Vivaldi is not open-source: https://vivaldi.com/blog/technology/why-isnt-vivaldi-browser...

> Even though our license doesn’t strictly allow this, we welcome it and we encourage users to share these code modifications on our forums.

lmao wtf

Re: "Begin disabling installed extensions still using Manifest V2 in Chrome stable"

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Well Vivaldi is open source, right? Personally I would be reaching out to Brave, who already plans on maintaining V2 support, and see about a joint venture with a forked chromium.

Vivaldi is not open-source: https://vivaldi.com/blog/technology/why-isnt-vivaldi-browser...

Ah. They can go fuck themselves then. I had assumed given the fact that the source was available.

Re: "Begin disabling installed extensions still using Manifest V2 in Chrome stable"

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Well Vivaldi is open source, right? Personally I would be reaching out to Brave, who already plans on maintaining V2 support, and see about a joint venture with a forked chromium.

I was intensely interested in this, and after much reading, here's my best understanding: Neither Brave nor Vivaldi are proposing to maintain engine support for v2: they both point to the codebase retaining support after Chrome drops support (likely for enterprise) as being the driver of their ability to offer v2. Both say that once those codepaths are removed, so too will v2 support be removed from Vivaldi and Brave…

Alright, so they’re both literally just useless wastes of man-hours then. Good to know.

Re: "Begin disabling installed extensions still using Manifest V2 in Chrome stable"

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I wish some brave enough (no relation to Brave) soul patched Blink so it became possible to delegate URL blocking decisions to an external process via some sort of IPC. In goes a full URL and maybe an opaque session ID so some state may be tracked, out goes a boolean value. Assume all are allowed if this process cannot be connected to.

You can already do this with a MITM proxy, and it works in all browsers.

I thought this was a cool idea, so I looked around for existing implementations and found https://github.com/barre/privaxy

Been a while since the last commit, so I'm not sure if it's maintained, but I might try adding it (or something similar) to my pihole.

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