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Post by bornfreddy »

lainga wrote: post #357
cptcobalt wrote: post #324

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> Also, is it viable to produce something like the A320 in low quantities when airlines need fleets in the hundreds? Bombardier thought so, and did so! They developed and introduced the C-series aircraft to compete with smaller 737s and A320/A319. After introduction, Boeing fucked them over so hard that they sold the aircraft program after introduction to Airbus for a token sum. Airbus now builds and sells the C-seri…

And it went right into the little shelf in many Canadians' heads of "Canadian companies destroyed by the USA". Mauldite en soit trestoute la lignye.

Trying to translate your last sentence to English gives "Mauldite in itself very all the ligny". Trying to autocorrect it gives "Maudit soit toute la ligne" which apparently means "Damn the whole line". So... am I close? :D

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Post by dh2022 »

MPSFounder wrote: post #376
jandrese wrote: post #303

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On one hand I can't blame any engineer that wants to flee, but on the other Boeing really can't afford any more brain drain. We are already seeing the results of years of forcing experienced but well paid engineers out and outsourcing their jobs. Planes literally falling out of the sky, but some nice fat executive bonuses.

Anecdotal, but out of my graduating class in chemical engineering from a University in Seattle, the top 20 students went into tech and finance. The worst performing students (by academic metrics) went to Boeing. Over time, I expect decisions to be made by engineers which are not stand outs. Coupled with the MBA trainwreck prioritizing profits and cost cutting, I expect Boeing has a very rough patch ahead.

Top 20 students in chemical engineering went into tech and finance.... two professions that at the first sight have nothing in common with chemical engineering... Tech and finance must really be looking for a lot of employees....

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Post by squigz »

danielodievich wrote: post #397

During national neighbor night out few weeks ago I met a couple who just moved to the neighborhood, wife is a doctor and husband is a Boeing engineer in the material science something rather. Me being a huge Boeing fan we've immediately connected on the topic of Boeing's issues. His view from inside echoed mine - too many MBAs, too much focus on financial engineering and stock buybacks and shareholder returns (he was…

Why would bailing out Boeing be a good idea?

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Post by michael1999 »

michael1999 wrote: post #367
hungie wrote: post #21

Good. Jim McNerney absolutely shredded the culture, and eroded decades of good will. It's far past time workers for Boeing pressed for things to go back to being an engineering and manufacturing led company. Striking is one way to get closer to that, good on them.

I don't see anything about the engineering culture in the union demands. It's all about pay, benefits, etc. I fear this will do the exact opposite: vindicate the union-busters who wanted to move out of Washington in the first place.

I should be clear, I see the linkage.

The union-busters from MD are a cause of Boeing's woes, and it would be difficult to maintain a high-discipline, high-quality culture in a right-to-work plant without external oversight. The plausible deniability of production mandates with records falsification make zero-tenure employment toxic to a safety-critical program.

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Post by mulmen »

darby_nine wrote: post #148
mulmen wrote: post #105

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The auto bailouts saved hundreds of thousands of jobs and turned a profit for the US government.

Cool, i don't care about either of these things. Jobs are a poor index of economic health for americans and we should really be guaranteed one as a fundamental human right if we also refuse to implement modern welfare.

You don’t care about saving jobs but you think we should be guaranteed jobs? How do you imagine guaranteed jobs work?

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Post by spratzt »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #416
MPSFounder wrote: post #376

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Anecdotal, but out of my graduating class in chemical engineering from a University in Seattle, the top 20 students went into tech and finance. The worst performing students (by academic metrics) went to Boeing. Over time, I expect decisions to be made by engineers which are not stand outs. Coupled with the MBA trainwreck prioritizing profits and cost cutting, I expect Boeing has a very rough patch ahead.

I always wonder who these folks who graduate with excellent STEM degrees are who can't land a job. I had a similar experience with my graduating class in undergrad computer science at a no-name state university. Of the graduating class (significantly smaller than when we started), I don't know of a single person who couldn't find some kind of gainful tech related employment - including the few folks who somehow could…

I suggest you come over to the UK.

I know several guys with postgraduate STEM degrees and 10 years of development experience who can’t even get interviews.

It’s very bad here.

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Post by boc »

dh2022 wrote: post #432
MPSFounder wrote: post #376

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anecdotal, but out of my graduating class in chemical engineering from a University in Seattle, the top 20 students went into tech and finance. The worst performing students (by academic metrics) went to Boeing. Over time, I expect decisions to be made by engineers which are not stand outs. Coupled with the MBA trainwreck prioritizing profits and cost cutting, I expect Boeing has a very rough patch ahead.

Top 20 students in chemical engineering went into tech and finance.... two professions that at the first sight have nothing in common with chemical engineering... Tech and finance must really be looking for a lot of employees....

Or they just pay a lot more.

If Boeing was paying $500K+ TC for engineers in their early/mid career, you'd see a lot more expertise enter the field. Instead you basically have to go into tech or PE/IB to see that type of compensation fresh out of school. Especially when students are taking on hundreds of thousands in debt, the payback period becomes really important when considering career paths.

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Post by willcipriano »

ahmeneeroe-v2 wrote: post #427
willcipriano wrote: post #247

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When the participation trophy generation grows up and becomes generals you'll hear things like, we would've won that war if it wasn't for all that attrition!

literally no one said that or even a rough approximation of that. Seriously I have no love for the generals but even they're not that dumb.

The comment I'm replying to said that and it was said frequently about Vietnam. What they didn't do is use the clear language I used and instead blamed the public for not wanting to spend every last penny on a pyrrhic victory as if that isn't attrition.

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Post by dh2022 »

boc wrote: post #437
dh2022 wrote: post #432

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Top 20 students in chemical engineering went into tech and finance.... two professions that at the first sight have nothing in common with chemical engineering... Tech and finance must really be looking for a lot of employees....

Or they just pay a lot more. If Boeing was paying $500K+ TC for engineers in their early/mid career, you'd see a lot more expertise enter the field. Instead you basically have to go into tech or PE/IB to see that type of compensation fresh out of school. Especially when students are taking on hundreds of thousands in debt, the payback period becomes really important when considering career paths.

I completely understand graduates would choose higher TC from tech/finance vs TC from Boeing. What I do not understand is why tech/finance companies would want to hire chemical engineering graduates.....

I know a few people who changed careers from biology to finance - but that was only after going back to school and getting some business degree....

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