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Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Post by mrgoldenbrown »

makeitdouble wrote: post #415
SecretDreams wrote: post #296

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But the OP is right about the parasocial aspect. OF content and other such platforms is about the personalization aspect. Sure, there's some kinks/fetishes too.. but it is primarily about engagement. In some ways, it's just an explicit, subscription based, social media platform where it feels like you're being treated uniquely... But most times you are not.

> it feels like you're being treated uniquely... But most times you are not. That's just any customer business. When you go buy a house it feels like the agent is really looking at your personal circumstances and trying hard to be your friend. When you go cut your hair the staff will remember your name and ask about your day. Your dentist will keep track of your operations, personalize your care and make sure you're…

The first time my dental hygienist asked a small talk question referencing something I said last visit, I was impressed by their memory/vaguely flattered . The second time it happened I was pretty sure they're just writing notes about what to say in my record. Especially when the new hygienist did the same trick :)

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Post by makeitdouble »

pfannkuchen wrote: post #402
makeitdouble wrote: post #389

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I'm not sure I follow, how is listening to music performed by another human live different from watching another human performing a sexy act live ? The analog to actually having sex would be playing with the band on the stage.

Fair point. The reason I don’t think only playing with the band counts is: in a hunter gather tribe 70,000 years ago, did everyone sing all of the songs all of the time? Or did some people just listen, at least some of the time? Practically speaking I think it must have been the latter. Of course there are lots of unnatural aspects in live music still, like too many people, too loud, etc. But recorded music is wholly…

I get how it could be seen as "natural", but I'm not sure to see value in that definition. From that token, most of human culture is unnnatural, but honestly it doesn't bother me much.

I'm glad we have books, even as it's not as natural as oral transmission. I love photography, I'm so glad we have chemical food that requires such a brewing process to come to fruition, and I have no desire to go back to a hunter gatherer society, I like civilization in general. And pornography is sure part of it.

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Post by itsoktocry »

arandomusername wrote: post #396
GaryNumanVevo wrote: post #217

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This is the free market, check your moral reservations at the door.

So you would have no reservations about a business selling class A drugs to kids? Free market after all.

Yes, selling drugs to kids and being a "content creator" on OnlyFans are the same thing.

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Post by beaglesss »

jpadkins wrote: post #417
benterix wrote: post #149

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> If you sell your body, most societies will punish you. Why though? It is an interesting issue when you look closer. For an individual, it's more obvious - I wouldn't like to be with a prostitute because of possible hidden diseases and lack of trust - but there is no way of telling how many sexual contacts my new partner had, whether paid for or not. But I wouldn't have any problem working with an ex-pro in the same…

> If you sell your body, most societies will punish you. > Why though? In stable families and societies, women use sex as control (power) over men. Younger women who sell sex are undermining that power structure. That is why they must be punished. Another way to look at in economic terms: Female sex is a scarce resource. Female selling transactional sex is commoditizing this resource. In general, people don't like th…

It's already commodities in places like California. For instance, the state considers a wife a depreciating asset that goes to zero at year ten, now owed potentially lifelong alimony as you've used up her most fertile years and therefore you must support her for life.

As a married person in balancing my finances I always then half it and then subtract 20 percent of my pretax income to find what's truly mine after liabilities to my spouse. This makes me explicitly aware of the true cost I pay, and if god forbid i am divorced i have already mentally written off most my wealth and home I painstakingly singlehandedly built stick by stick over a period of years as not actually mine.

Prostitution causes a real problem here as it throws a bone in the resource extraction from male to female by making the consumer more informed on costs up front.

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Post by antimemetics »

pfannkuchen wrote: post #368
itishappy wrote: post #309

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How is that particularly different from, say, concerts? The social aspects are what drives value.

This comparison is backwards. Listening to music performed in person by other humans is the natural way of things, like actually having sex with another human. Recorded music is much more like pornography.

The natural way of things is to die at 30 of dysentery- I’m glad we are past that

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Post by frogpelt »

antimemetics wrote: post #428
agumonkey wrote: post #350

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The shocking part is how new generation have a fully rational reinterpretation of all this, they call it "ethical sex". It's beautiful to them (probably in contrast to the boat loads of issues IRL social and intimate relationships can bring with them). And anything not aligned with their view causes a lot of angry arguments.

Every new generation is worse than the one before them

Until there’s a great revival/revolution. Then we start over.

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Post by [deleted] »

ronsor wrote: post #362
malfist wrote: post #353

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Why do you assume women in gyms are trying to make money on OnlyFans?

There is a new-ish phenomenon of some women going to the gym, setting up suspiciously placed cameras, and then uploading to TikTok (or Instagram or OF) with complaints that the people in the background - who do not want to be recorded - are "staring." It is usually obvious what they're doing. It's not merely "there are women in the gym."

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Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Post by alt227 »

standardUser wrote: post #427
alt227 wrote: post #419

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These things you mentioned are all still looked on negatively by some people. My grandma curses 'bastards' and children 'out of wedlock'. People still lose out on jobs for having face and neck tattoos, its in the media regularly. In exactly the same way as having an OF account, its up to the person doing these things to judge the consequences of whether they are happy with some people in the world looking down on the…

> These things you mentioned are all still looked on negatively by some people. I don't know anyone who has been denied a job or an opportunity because of those issues. I also don't know anyone who has been denied an opportunity because they made adult content. Does it happen? Absolutley. Is it crippling to the point of ostracization? Not even close. If anything, being able to filter out people who would look down on…

There was a big news story about this happening literally the other day

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/tiktok-tattooed-wom...

> Is it crippling to the point of ostracization?

Nobody is arguing that it is, I think you are taking this a bit too far. All anybody has said is that some people have a dim view of sex work, thats it, and its true. Stop trying to extrapolate and assume further than the point in question.

> being able to filter out people who would look down on those attributes/experiences is increasingly becoming a net positive

And there I was foolishly thinking we were all trying to move to a more tolerant and accepting world. Thats an incrdibly devisive opinion and is the basis for cancel culture. I for one would rather try to understand peoples opionins and discuss it with them rather than to 'filter them out'.

> I wouldn't wan to associate with someone who disparaged people because they have a piecing or like to take naked photos.

Then we are very different people. I will associate with anybody, and try to find the best in them along with some common ground to work on together.

Want a better world? You can only change peoples minds with kindness.

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Post by rybosworld »

itsoktocry wrote: post #421
rybosworld wrote: post #412

It does seem like the business preys on, primarily teenage boys, in a way that traditional pornography does not. If you look up the user demographics, you'll notice an obvious problem: The demographics do not include the number of users under 18. https://techreport.com/statistics/software-web/onlyfans-stat... Some may say: well that's because you have to be 18 to use the site. But that's not true. Anyone can signup f…

> preys on What do you mean by "preys on"? Teenage boys seek out porn, is normal. There's nothing magical about this type of porn. If they are breaking the ToS and committing credit card fraud, who's at fault?

The preying on part, is imo, the para-social relationships that creators form with users.

Society figured out a long time ago that teenagers are susceptible to being taken advantage of by adults. It's why every modern nation has age of consent laws.

But onlyfans circumvents that. Creators interact with users, and the users, mostly teenagers, can interact back. This happens on twitch as well, and twitch is used as a funnel for onlyfans.

I think it's hard to argue that there isn't a fundamental difference between:

- watching recorded porn

- a social media platform that allows pornstars to chat with and perform private shows for users, who have a high chance of being under 18

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Post by GaryNumanVevo »

arandomusername wrote: post #396
GaryNumanVevo wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the free market, check your moral reservations at the door.

So you would have no reservations about a business selling class A drugs to kids? Free market after all.

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