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Australian employees now have the right to ignore work emails, calls after hours

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Post by fragmede »

TheSalarian wrote: post #429
fragmede wrote: post #398

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it's the "at least shouldn't" that's what's wrong. if your director sends an email late Friday night and your amalgamation of devices and nervous habits ends up seeing it before 9am Monday, it's going to sit in your brain, messing up your off-work hours. so "send at 9am" is just being courteous these days.

If your own nervous habits lead you to checking work emails outside of work, it sounds like you were preoccupied with thoughts about work regardless of whether or not you received an email. No, the correct solution if you can't ignore a notification is to either block notifications from work apps entirely, or to create a notification schedule that blocks work apps outside of given hours. That schedule should be made…

If the employee is a nervous person, and that nervousness is impacting their work, and you need them to relax, and they can't, you need to figure out a way to help them relax.

Re: Australian employees now have the right to ignore work emails, calls after hours

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

neom wrote: post #424
ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #380

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Was the rent increased? Yes. By how much? By enough to hurt the restaraunts. I'd be happy to hear from you the specifics of how much it was increased, per-restaurant, if that's what you're referring to. Was it worse for the individual restaraunts than not jacking up the rent? Yes, paying more is worse than paying less. Was it worse than not being bought out by PE? Probably, but that's the sort of prophesizing about w…

It's not prophesying given we have additional facts we could include to play out the alternative (socioeconomics)- if you wanted to engage from a place of intellectual honesty, that is.

"Playing out an alternative future" is "prophesizing" with more words, and prophets always claim to have some basis to predict the future, but nobody can. That's why I'm not interested in prophesizing about what might have happened had reality been different.

You mentioned rent costs, though: I'm happy to hear the rent costs before vs. after private equity sold the land out from under the restaraunts – it sounded like you were saying you're in a position to access those numbers? Given your excellent posting history, I trust that you want to engage from a place of intellectual honesty in that regard.

As it stands now, all we know is that, post private equity, they were jacked up so much that the stores struggled to pay. So how much was it exactly?

Re: Australian employees now have the right to ignore work emails, calls after hours

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Post by fuzztester »

strken wrote: post #38
fuzztester wrote: post #16

dammit, i thought aussies were more freedom loving than even usians. i have met and interacted with some of them, and have read a good amount about them, too. did aussies not have this right, earlier? I don't know if it should even be called a right, because it seems obvious. to me, it sound more like an attack by employers on employees, to say they cannot do such a thing - before this so-called "right" was ”given".…

Employment contracts here usually state that you work X hours a week, likely 38 or less unless your union did a bad job, and can only work more if the hours are "reasonable" according to a bunch of criteria. This was previously enough to cut down on most of this kind of nonsense, but has not proven sufficient in the age of smartphones.

>This was previously enough to cut down on most of this kind of nonsense, but has not proven sufficient in the age of smartphones.

the kind of technology that is available in the world should have nothing to do with the laws regarding freedom of the people.

Re: Australian employees now have the right to ignore work emails, calls after hours

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Post by fuzztester »

strken wrote: post #38
fuzztester wrote: post #16

dammit, i thought aussies were more freedom loving than even usians. i have met and interacted with some of them, and have read a good amount about them, too. did aussies not have this right, earlier? I don't know if it should even be called a right, because it seems obvious. to me, it sound more like an attack by employers on employees, to say they cannot do such a thing - before this so-called "right" was ”given".…

Employment contracts here usually state that you work X hours a week, likely 38 or less unless your union did a bad job, and can only work more if the hours are "reasonable" according to a bunch of criteria. This was previously enough to cut down on most of this kind of nonsense, but has not proven sufficient in the age of smartphones.

depending upon fuzzily worded employment contracts and the non-deterministic enforcement of them, and depending upon whether your union did a good job or not, are not the characteristics of freedom.

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Post by guywithahat »

nicbou wrote: post #409
guywithahat wrote: post #397

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To be fair, I think it’s pretty well ingrained in most western cultures.

Not in the US or Canada, in my experience.

I live in the US, I’ve never heard of someone being called after work unless it was part of their job or some once in a decade emergency

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Post by tardoe »

ecshafer wrote: post #394
y-c-o-m-b wrote: post #346

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I envy you. I've been on-call numerous times just this month and got paged almost daily, many of them between 10pm and 6am, 2am on average. Our on-call duty is basically house arrest for a week. The worst part is 90% of the pages are not real issues or I can't even do anything about them other than wait for them to self-resolve. It drives me insane and because it's FAANG, it's nearly impossible to get this changed. I…

My old company we had rotating on call shifts that was about one week a month. I got paged an average of 2 times a night because of some random thing breaking or some error. My current company, we get a week on call about every month and a half, either primary or secondary. But I have been paged I think 2 times in 3 years. Its a world of difference having a stable application and well done page rules.

Average of twice a night is freaking insane. I was burning out doing 1-week-in-3 with pages 3 nights out of 7. These were all actionable issues (DDoS, packet loss etc.) so I had to actually wake up and work.

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Post by CRConrad »

consteval wrote: post #275
ghaff wrote: post #269

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Freight rail is absolutely key infrastructure even if the average American doesn't think about it day to day. No, except for a few places (including commuter rail in some cities), Americans don't care about and aren't willing to pay for passenger rail given that they can drive or take a plane.

Americans do not care about freight rail and they do absolutely despise it. You can go ask Americans (hint: I live here). There are cultural issues here as well as economic ones. You're not viewed as doing something important or something innovative, and I'm sure that can discourage you from doing it right. And if you do it right - who cares? The expectation is to do it wrong.

> Americans do not care about freight rail and they do absolutely despise it.

Yeah, but those Americans are idiots (as so many of them seem to be). Idiots not caring about or despising it doesn't change the factual matter of whether it is infrastructure vital to their lives or not.

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Post by CRConrad »

bombcar wrote: post #212
hgomersall wrote: post #178

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No international conspiracy is needed. It's just a nice little local racket between the banks and the professional sociopaths.

The key is realizing that the system itself creates the result - no conspiracy needed. Everything naturally results as a consequence of the way the entire system is built, as sure as water will run downhill. That everything isn’t already like this everywhere is because of active work by individuals, companies, and governments to stop and dam the natural flow. It is entirely frightening once you realize that total ens…

I'm not sure the triopoly of two advertising companies and a closed-garden cult is all that much better than a duopoly of two advertising companies.

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Post by CRConrad »

CalRobert wrote: post #420
fred_is_fred wrote: post #389

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Large corporate setting for sure and yes I ended up doing scheduled emails specifically for this person. But im not sure the original cause of why they couldn’t stop checking. I couldn’t control everyone’s emails in the whole group either.

I suspect it was when smart phones started defaulting to notifications for every email. A scourge.

But why the heck do people get work emails to their private phones in the first place?

I just don't understand America. And, since this law was apparently necessary in Australia, not that either. They're both just weird.

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Post by CRConrad »

2-3-7-43-1807 wrote: post #168
lnsru wrote: post #161

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You’re welcome! You should read your work contract and/or Betriebsvereinbarung regarding work on weekends. It’s clearly defined.

I have a Betriebsvereinbarung with your [insert female family member of your choice] for this weekend.

Sei kein Arschloch.
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