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Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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Post by deadbabe »

bamboozled wrote: post #304
slidehero wrote: post #287

Earlier quoted context omitted.

reducing the load on overworked teachers by using GPT to generate exercises, quizes and explanations for students is "endless worthless sludge"?

I have teachers in my family, their lives have been basically ruined by people using ChatGPT-4 to cheat on their assignments. They spend their weekend trying to workout if someone has "actually written" this or not. So sorry, we're back to spam generator. Even if it's "good spam".

Why haven’t they just gone back to basics and force students to write out long essays on paper by hand and in class?

Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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Post by nprateem »

ChaitanyaSai wrote: post #52

I've trained as a neuroscientist and written a book about consciousness. I've worked in machine learning and built products for over 20 years and now use AI a fair bit in the ed-tech work we do. So I've seen how the field has progressed and also have been able to look at it from a perspective most AI/engineering people don't -- what does this artificial intelligence look like when compared to biological intelligence.…

It's obvious there's potential. It's also obvious it requires at least one other major breakthrough. But no one knows how far away that is.

Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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Post by huhkerrf »

Calavar wrote: post #359
_acco wrote: post #207

AI (specifically Claude Sonnet via Cursor) has completely transformed my workflow. It's changed my job description as a programmer. (And I've been doing this for 13y – no greenhorn!) This wasn't the case with GPT-4/o. This capability is very new. When I spoke to a colleague at Microsoft about these changes, they were floored. Microsoft has made themselves synonymous with AI, yet their company is barely even leveragin…

I feel like I'm living in a different universe sometimes. The consensus on HN seems to be that you can be pretty productive with LLMs as coding assistants, but every time I try I find it borderline impossible to get functional code even for pretty straightforward prompts. I decided to fire up GPT-4o again today to see if maybe things have gotten better over the past few months. I asked GPT to write code to render a t…

I feel the same way. Anytime someone says they don't find LLMs all that useful, the exact same comments come out:

"They clearly aren't using the right model!"

"It's obvious they don't know how to prompt, or they would see the value."

"Maybe it can't do that today, but GPT-5 is just around the corner."

I feel more and more that people have just decided that this is a technology that will do everything you can imagine, and no evidence to the contrary will change their priors.

Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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Post by [deleted] »

nprateem wrote: post #432
ChaitanyaSai wrote: post #52

I've trained as a neuroscientist and written a book about consciousness. I've worked in machine learning and built products for over 20 years and now use AI a fair bit in the ed-tech work we do. So I've seen how the field has progressed and also have been able to look at it from a perspective most AI/engineering people don't -- what does this artificial intelligence look like when compared to biological intelligence.…

It's obvious there's potential. It's also obvious it requires at least one other major breakthrough. But no one knows how far away that is.

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Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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Post by dvh »

huhkerrf wrote: post #434
Calavar wrote: post #359

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like I'm living in a different universe sometimes. The consensus on HN seems to be that you can be pretty productive with LLMs as coding assistants, but every time I try I find it borderline impossible to get functional code even for pretty straightforward prompts. I decided to fire up GPT-4o again today to see if maybe things have gotten better over the past few months. I asked GPT to write code to render a t…

I feel the same way. Anytime someone says they don't find LLMs all that useful, the exact same comments come out: "They clearly aren't using the right model!" "It's obvious they don't know how to prompt, or they would see the value." "Maybe it can't do that today, but GPT-5 is just around the corner." I feel more and more that people have just decided that this is a technology that will do everything you can imagine,…

For me llm is faster stackoverflow without fear of my question being closed. I know the first answer will not be what I want. I know that I will have to refractor it to suit my style. I know it will be full of subtle bugs.

Oh and I expect it to be free, I ain't paying for this just like I wasn't paying for stackoverflow.

Finally I hope than in few years I will be able to just "sudo apt-get install llm llm-javascript llm-cooking llm-trivia llm-jokes" and it will all run locally on my low end computer and when I report bug, six months later it will be fixed when I update OS.

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Post by jcgrillo »

cosmicradiance wrote: post #97
zaptrem wrote: post #84

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We are but prediction machines https://www.psy.ox.ac.uk/news/the-brain-is-a-prediction-mach...

Wrong. As per the article - a part of our brain is a prediction machine. A human body is more than the sum of its parts.

> A human body is more than the sum of its parts.

What does this mean, precisely? How is a human body (or plant, or insect, or reptile/bird/mammal) body ever "more than" it's constituent parts? Wouldn't that violate a conservation law?

Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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Post by dkrich »

slidehero wrote: post #275
Nullabillity wrote: post #269

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> 1. Content Generation: Spam isn't a feature. See also, this whole message that could just have been the headlines. > 2. Customer Service and Support: So… less clear than the website and not empowered to do anything (beyond ruining your reputation) because even you don't trust it? > 3. Summarization and Insights: See 1, spam isn't a feature. This is just trying to undo the damage from that (and failing). > 4. HR Can…

This seems unecessarily negative to me. >Content Generation I'm working on AI tools for teachers and I can confidently say that GPT is just unbelievably good at generating explanations, exercises, quizes etc. The onus to review the output is on the teacher obviously, but given they're the subject matter experts, a review is quick and takes a fraction of the time that it would take to otherwise create this content fro…

Let’s call it for what it is- taking poorly organized existing information and making it organized and interactive.

“Here are some sharepoint locations, site Maps, and wikis. Now regurgitate this info to me as if you are a friendly call center agent.”

Pretty cool but not much more than pushing existing data around. True AI I think is being able to learn some baseline of skills and then through experience and feedback adapt and be able to formulate new thoughts that eventually become part of the learned information. That is what humans excel at and so far something LLMs can’t do. Given the inherent difficulty of the task I think we aren’t much closer to that than before as the problems seem algorithmic and not merely hardware constrained.

Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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Post by febed »

_acco wrote: post #207

AI (specifically Claude Sonnet via Cursor) has completely transformed my workflow. It's changed my job description as a programmer. (And I've been doing this for 13y – no greenhorn!) This wasn't the case with GPT-4/o. This capability is very new. When I spoke to a colleague at Microsoft about these changes, they were floored. Microsoft has made themselves synonymous with AI, yet their company is barely even leveragin…

It’s just a souped up version of Aider with an easier interface, isn’t it?

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Post by kristiandupont »

fuzztester wrote: post #419
andrewflnr wrote: post #400

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Not-so-subtly mocking the top-level for not replying "yet", when they replied almost immediately after with a video of the relevant workflow, was not a move that made you look smart or nice.

Hey. These are the four simple lines that I wrote above: >Solid questions and comments, layer8. > I notice that the person you replied to has not replied to you yet. >It may be that they will, of course. >But your points are good. (Italics mine, and they were not in my original comment.) You, above: >when they replied almost immediately after with a video of the relevant workflow, I did check the time intervals betwe…

You were being passive aggressive and adding nothing to the discussion. The fact that you weren't wrong doesn't make any difference.
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