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10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by Aloisius »

Devasta wrote: post #226
samatman wrote: post #155

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This is wrong. There are no secondary sanctions against Cuba. Cuba is poor because Cuba is Communist. They can trade with everyone except the United States, if they had anything to trade with. The US sanctions do serve as a wonderful excuse for the Cuban government to blame the poverty they inflict upon their own citizens on the United States. Plenty of gullible people outside the country fall for it as well.

So if I, as an Irish citizen, decided to start a business that traded with Cuba, US companies would have no legal issues doing business with me?

The EU passed a statue (No 2271/96) in 1996 that blunted the US' ability to sanction EU companies for trading with Cuba.

The statue gives EU companies the ability to recover damages caused by the Helms-Burton Act. They even threatened to counter-sanction US companies making Title III complaints.

The result of multiple countries passing similar blocking statues was that the Helms-Burton Act had been suspended by every President from 1996 until 2019 when Trump decided to reactivate it.

According to an EU report on the statue, there have been threats of US legal action, but no mention of any EU company has actually been sanctioned.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by woodruffw »

rgbrenner wrote: post #415
gottorf wrote: post #201

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> I'm not concerned about the crime You may not be concerned about the crime, but many voters are. The author of the article you linked to also exhorts the Somali immigrant community to not engage in crime. > because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency until the 2nd and 3rd generation is able to make it into established society. History and data from various European nations suggest that some immigrant groups…

European nations suggest that some immigrant groups aren't able to integrate with the host society after multiple generations You as an American can move to France, and you'll never be considered French. Doesn't matter if you speak french every day for the rest of your life with the most perfect French accent the world has ever heard. And if you and your American wife have kids in France after living in France for 20…

I don't know why you think this: the French are explicit (and proud) of both their cultural chauvinism and their willingness to integrate those who fully assimilate into it. Assimilation is required, but it's also sufficient (in contrast with the US, where it's neither required nor sufficient).

> The idea that you move to a country and you're one of them is an American concept.

Not a very old one[1].

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyphenated_American

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by tehjoker »

paxys wrote: post #168
tehjoker wrote: post #91

Cuba's economy is not doing well because of the illegitimate and illegal US embargo. End the blockade. Take Cuba off the completely farcical State Sponsors of Terror list. Let Cuba live! Cuba developed its own COVID vaccine but couldn't give it to its own people because they could not buy metal for syringes. Its fucking crazy.

There is no blocade. Cuba is free to trade with whoever it wants, as is the US.

"DSA Says Let Cuba Live: Ending the US Blockade Today" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXoXOo7_oLM

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by searealist »

labrador wrote: post #107

I support immigration and oppose the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. For example, in this article is about white collar crime, it points out that many Somali-Americans were professionals back in Somalia. I'm not concerned about the crime because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency unt…

So you support skilled immigration. That sounds like a republican position to me.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by ESTheComposer »

sensanaty wrote: post #412
dakiol wrote: post #277

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I don’t know man. This idea of certain cultures being so distant that they cannot be integrated with others sounds a bit alien to me. If anything, we (all the different cultures in this planet) are the result of a vast amount of mixing over the centuries. We probably don’t notice it anymore (proof that the mix has worked wonders) and we think we all are so good because “our” culture, “our” values. I mean, if somethin…

Even relatively harmless things like haram vs non-haram meats can cause a huge struggle, yet alone other more nuanced, complex cultural issues. Also should we really be accepting of cultures that openly and unashamedly want to harm marginalized groups such as anyone who identifies as LGBT? Getting some new recipes or whatever (as it appears that's the direction you're thinking of) is one thing, having people decapita…

The real question is why you're equating 6 teens to 23% of the world (1.8 billion people)

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by stale2002 »

energy123 wrote: post #258
zozbot234 wrote: post #189

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These jobs are low-paying because they're broadly unproductive. If some of them weren't doing these jobs, the wages paid for them at the margin would increase. We are vastly better off importing more skilled immigrants to high-income countries, compared to unskilled ones.

That's an economically illiterate comment. You're confusing scarcity of labor, which determines price, with the utility that that labor generates.

This isn't the 1900s, dude.

If supply for labor goes a bit down, wages will increase a bit, and then companies will be incentivized to replace these bad jobs with automation.

Those jobs going away, and wages going up, is a good thing not a bad thing.

As few people should be doing those bad jobs as possible, and for the ones that do them, they should be paid more.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by culopatin »

labrador wrote: post #107

I support immigration and oppose the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. For example, in this article is about white collar crime, it points out that many Somali-Americans were professionals back in Somalia. I'm not concerned about the crime because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency unt…

But you need the friction for the brain drain, otherwise it will just be anyone. Brain or no brain. I’m an immigrant and I can tell you that without the difficulties you’d just get people that would save enough to buy a ticket and land here and just “figure it out”. There is already lots of surplus in the retail area.

I’m convinced that the system expects a percentage of leakage by design as a strainer to keep the low effort migration out.

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Post by [deleted] »

wil421 wrote: post #421
labrador wrote: post #107

I support immigration and oppose the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. For example, in this article is about white collar crime, it points out that many Somali-Americans were professionals back in Somalia. I'm not concerned about the crime because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency unt…

Most people are against border hooping illegal immigrant not legal immigrants. There’s a huge difference. For some reason the internet puts them in the same camp.

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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by fishcrackers »

wil421 wrote: post #421
labrador wrote: post #107

I support immigration and oppose the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. For example, in this article is about white collar crime, it points out that many Somali-Americans were professionals back in Somalia. I'm not concerned about the crime because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency unt…

Most people are against border hooping illegal immigrant not legal immigrants. There’s a huge difference. For some reason the internet puts them in the same camp.

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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by woodruffw »

HideousKojima wrote: post #360
np- wrote: post #343

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Because it’s functionally impossible to deport all “illegals” without massively disrupting legal immigrant communities? How exactly do you propose the illegal immigrant gestapo determine someone is here legally? Race? Accent? Stop every brown person on the street and ask for papers…? What don’t republicans understand by this

Or you could just... require proof of citizenship/legal residence for housing, jobs, etc.? No need for Gestapo checking papers.

> require proof of citizenship/legal residence for housing, jobs, etc.?

Gestapo comparisons aside, you do understand that this is a significant deviation from the status quo in the US, right? The US can't even agree on a unified federal ID; what makes you think we're anywhere close to accepting a world in which the government is a party to civil matters like leases?

(And to be clear: enforcing this kind of introspection absolutely would require an enforcement agency with unprecedented visibility into the paychecks and housing statuses of every single person in this country.)

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