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Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024
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Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024
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The most basic scenario: Someone use their phone as their only computing device (e.g. only other device is their school or work computer). Their phone dies and the shop convinces them to go for a Pixel 9. How screwed are they if everything was in iCloud, vs they were using 1Password ?
What about any or all among of their contacts, messages, docs, notes, schedules, photos, apps, app contents...? > How screwed are they if everything was in iCloud, vs they were using 1Password/{own,next}Cloud/Evernote/Meta/Dropbox/web apps...? That would be a more appropriate picture. > How screwed are they Not much. Annoyed maybe but as long as they have access to their email and phone number they can reset their pa…
> as long as they have access to their email and phone number they can reset their passwords.> Google
At best they spend hours and hours up to days resetting the passwords for all the account they ever had. Looking at my password list, there's 700 or them, it would take me a week of my life, if I ever get to do it at all.
At worst they actually can't access their email and it's the end (or a week or two of back and forth sending official documents to get it back ?)
As a first point: they don't have to go all Google. They can have a Google account solely for their phone, and have everything elsewhere. That's a nobrainer as long as they have a solid password manager. You call it hodgepodge, but that's just what we've doing for the last centuries.
The issue of a service unilaterally killing an account isn't limited to Google. Apple will also kill your account if they assume you misbehave, and you might get someone on the phone, while not getting any resolution.
Do we hear it more about Google ? sure. But Google is also in the biggest service provider on earth at this point.
Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024
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Terrifies me. I can't really piss 1Password off, so that'll never be a worry. My iCloud Email can at least be re-directed to Fastmail as I own the domain (other than Hide My Email, which is a shame).
You can't piss 1Password off, until you do. There's nothing inherit about Agile Bits that shields them from arbitary account closure. You can't piss Apple off, until you do. I personally haven't heard of people's account getting randomly shut down for whatever reason for either company, but I'm sure it happens.
It's a matter of surface area to somehow trigger the automated detection that kills an account.
With 1Password, I can only really think of payment issues (ultimately, everything within your account is just a matter of sharing a binary blob they can't read - maybe if you try to use it as a file store and the size becomes excessive), whereas with Apple, I'm not entirely certain what they could read on my machine that could trigger them (hopefully with Advanced Data Protection, this is a small surface area).
But you are right, both of them could cause headaches.
Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024
#434Earlier quoted context omitted.
Terrifies me. I can't really piss 1Password off, so that'll never be a worry. My iCloud Email can at least be re-directed to Fastmail as I own the domain (other than Hide My Email, which is a shame).
You can't piss 1Password off, until you do. There's nothing inherit about Agile Bits that shields them from arbitary account closure. You can't piss Apple off, until you do. I personally haven't heard of people's account getting randomly shut down for whatever reason for either company, but I'm sure it happens.
There is a difference - the surface area where you interact with that certain company. As an Apple device owner, your interaction with Apple and it's various services (known; and unknown to you - e.g. watching a certain video on YouTube in Safari) compared to that of Agile Bits (or BitWarden for that matter, which I prefer), where the service is exactly one, is much much bigger. Hence making your chance to trip so much more in case of Apple and Google.
Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024
#435Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can't piss 1Password off, until you do. There's nothing inherit about Agile Bits that shields them from arbitary account closure. You can't piss Apple off, until you do. I personally haven't heard of people's account getting randomly shut down for whatever reason for either company, but I'm sure it happens.
It's a matter of surface area to somehow trigger the automated detection that kills an account. With 1Password, I can only really think of payment issues (ultimately, everything within your account is just a matter of sharing a binary blob they can't read - maybe if you try to use it as a file store and the size becomes excessive), whereas with Apple, I'm not entirely certain what they could read on my machine that c…
Off topic: I just saw your comment and I also used the term "surface area" :D
Though, there' a 3 minute gap, I had not seen your comment (hadn't refreshed the page) when I typed mine.
Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024
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You should read this piece in the NYT titled “The Tyranny of Convenience” [1]. It asserts that your entire worldview is essentially flawed. En masse, people do what is most convenient, which is completely orthogonal to what is right / wrong / best / worst. For instance, it’s an empirical fact that eating healthy and getting exercise is better than eating poorly and living a sedentary life. Yet, most people live seden…
But this is precisely the problem. If you want the right thing to happen, you can't allow the wrong thing to be more convenient. "The wrong thing is more convenient so STFU" is the flawed worldview, because it's what causes the wrong thing to continue happening. Now consider what happens if people do the opposite. Instead of defending convenience as an end unto itself as Moloch would have it, you create friction agai…
> Now consider what happens if people do the opposite. Instead of defending convenience as an end unto itself as Moloch would have it, you create friction against bad choices. Complain about them, refuse to assist your allies in making a mistake. Do things that make bad options less convenient and redirect people to better choices.
What about making "the right option" better instead of making the "the wrong option" worse?
Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024
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I have yet to notice a site asking me a passkey.
Really? That’s how I log into GitHub!
I stopped logging in into there since they forced 2FA on me because of an old contribution to an open source project. It's too much of a pain and I don't need to be logged in to look at the code of the modules or libraries I'm using or I could use. As collateral damage, I stopped opening issues on open source projects, that was maybe two or three issues per year. All my customers are on Bitbucket at the moment and it still works with username and password. If it would switch to 2FA, I'd have to comply.
Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024
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In the desktop world people tend to buy cheaper, yet equally as closed Windows machines.
In what ways are desktop Windows boxes as closed as Apple? I would say there are many many things to fault Microsoft for, but closing down the OS has never been one of them (though that is gradually changing outside the EU, to be fair).
When using the terms “open” and “closed” with operating systems, one is traditionally talking open the source code.
As such both Windows and MacOS are closed source.
As for “opening up the OS” both are pretty gosh darned flexible and extensible wrt other features.
However being based upon a BSD core, MacOS has had access to the Unix command line natively since forever. For Windows one used to have to rely on CgyWin before the virtualized WSL platform came to be.
Whilst MacOS has the somewhat opaque ~/Library for storing user settings and data, it pales into comparison to the massively Opaque Windows Registry.
I’ve had had very few issues fixing app install issues with my Mac - with Windows I’ve had more than one occasion where I’ve had to do a complete reinstall of the OS due to the Registry being totally hosed to the point I couldn’t reinstall apps again.
Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024
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Omg yes! Fastmail + 1P is soooo good. 1P has an integration with privacy.com to create unique debit cards. With these 3 tools I have a unique email, pw, and debit card for each service. Makes me feel in control over my interaction with a service. Here’s my referral link for privacy if you’re interested https://privacy.com/join/JCPFN
> privacy.com Love the service, the problem is they effectively charge a 1-5% commission to use it because you lose credit card loyalty/rewards programs benefits. Last year I got nearly 3% back, I think that's too high for the service. I don't think there's any way around it unfortunately, credit cards rewards are paid by the fees and interest of those who carry a balance.
Good point, but we still use privacy.com for random stuff online. The majority of our online purchases happen at a handful of stores, and we use our credit card there. But especially for sketchy sites, we use privacy. For example I bought a keyboard from a small company in Russia (right before they invaded) and they’re probably completely legit but I’d rather lose the 1% on that purchase than be concerned they have my real card
Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024
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People are driven away from open standards to vendors like Apple because so much open stuff just sucks so goddamn bad . So will Apple one day fuck me over? Perhaps, but in the meantime their shit just works and I am going to use it because I don’t have time to spend hours troubleshooting why manufacturer A doesn’t work with free publisher B when free driver C is loaded.
But have you thought to ask why that is? The general mechanism for free software to be developed is for the individual users to make modifications. Not all of them, of course, but the ones who know how to. Someone sees something wrong, fixes it. Apple interferes with this. If you don't like an app on your iPhone, even if it's open source, you can't just make a minor change because for that you have to pay $100/year a…
Not sure of your reality, but my apple ecosystem just works. I spend nearly zero time fiddling with my rig just to get to a point of productivity but see Linux using peers in a constant state of tweaking trying to achieve and failing of what I have by just opening a box.