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Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

pentagrama wrote: post #156
jsheard wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also notable that Qualcomm is officially upstreaming kernel support for the Snapdragon Elite platform that Microsoft is pushing, so those systems may actually not suck at running Linux.

Yes, and Lenovo is releasing a new Qualcomm-powered ThinkPad, which are known to be a Linux-friendly laptops. > The ThinkPad T14s Gen 6 is, of course, business-focused. It will have the same Snapdragon chip, storage capacity, and webcam but will support up to 64GB of memory and one of three 14-inch display options: an IPS with up to 400 nits of brightness; an IPS touch display; or an OLED that covers 100 percent of t…

> [Lenovo pricing]

Also available @ 75% off in 12mos on eBay because the used Lenovo market is a beautiful, beautiful thing.

I just picked up an unused T15 Gen2 11thGen 16Gb/256Gb for $390. In Warr until late 2026.

Bought a thin client today w/ similar specs for $350.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by jonathankoren »

ptx wrote: post #430
jonathankoren wrote: post #316

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Huh. You’re right. Some keyboard have both windows and the menu key, and others have only one menu key. I don’t know if this means Microsoft relaxed their “Made for Windows” standards, or higher profile manufacturers don’t care.

The menu key was always useless anyway, because shift+F10 does the same thing.

I believe the windows key is just ctrl-esc

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by walterbell »

This Apple-genesis (Nuvia) and Microsoft-led (Pluton) Arm Oryon hardware provides rare boot standardization and optional upstream Linux on Arm EL2. With enterprise PC OEMs on board, there should be a healthy supply of used Arm Linux laptops in a few years. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40350408#40355554

  The system firmware will ship with 3 boot modes selectable via the setup interface:

  - Windows (this one has the Windows tcblauncher escalated to EL2 through Secure Launch)
  - Linux (this one stays at EL1)
  - Linux w/ KVM (which jumps to EL2 [at ExitBootServices] before kernel handover)
Mainline Linux support is underway via Linaro/Qualcomm and Dell supports Ubuntu Linux as a first class OS. Linux support won't be perfect in OryonV1, but if enough customers use these devices with Linux, it can only improve. Device trees are likely still needed for Linux.

  Arm SystemReady SR/ES assumes sane ACPI tables. That's something that Snapdragon X (1st-gen) very much doesn't have. The ACPI tables present there are pretty much only usable for Windows if you want full functionality.. ESXi-Arm is bootable, but a number of patches were required.
April 2024 video & slides: https://eoss24.sched.com/event/1aBEy/enabling-linux-support-...

> the upstream kernel was used during the Snapdragon X1 Elite SoC Linux bringup.. demo booting upstream kernel with a Debian/Ubuntu userspace on a Snapdragon X1 Elite QRD (Qualcomm Reference Device).. Boot to console support has already landed on kernel version v6.7 and is on track to have remaining kernel support land by the time the first commercial device with X1 Elite SoC comes out on the market.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by grugagag »

ptero wrote: post #155
grugagag wrote: post #141

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Not if you tell them beware, all this will be used against you in some way in the future.

Unless there is a specific, believable, near term risk people will just ignore it. Most would submit genetic material to 23andme and similar organizations with no restriction on its use. Yes, if could theoretically backfire not just on them, but also on their kids. But unless they see it as a near-term likelihood they will not care enough. My 2c.

Well, that implies arrogance on their part. And there’s some blame from us too for not warning them enough I guess.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by GartzenDeHaes »

w_for_wumbo wrote: post #420

"In fact, 87% of the total app minutes people spend in apps today have native Arm versions." - Are they meaning web browsers? I'm pretty sure the majority of time people spend in apps are web browsers, so it feels incredibly misleading if that's what they're referring to.

Probably whatever they're calling Windows Store apps now, universal windows app or something. These are .net applications that are natively compiled when installed (I think).

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by mardifoufs »

neonsunset wrote: post #368
Atotalnoob wrote: post #361

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Not really. It was a little confusing when they renamed .net core to .net, but most people have moved past it

You see, that just doesn't lend itself as nicely to tribal parroting of worse than mediocre developers here in the comments (if such people are able to code at all).

I mean you literally work on Dotnet, don't you? That's probably why you don't have issues with the naming. I agree that it's currently fine now that it stabilized on the core naming scheme, but I don't see how it was very confusing when there's stuff like ASP.NET Core on framework, and ASP.NET Core on Dotnet core... that's just confusing, especially since other ecosystems don't usually have such a weird naming scheme.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by selcuka »

mikebenfield wrote: post #219
dark__paladin wrote: post #199

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To add to this, I have always found the Xbox naming conventions to be confusing, personally. "Xbox One" is the third one, not the original "Xbox" and the two newest models are named almost identically; "Xbox Series X" vs "Xbox Series S".

I always thought calling it Xbox One was the most bizarre choice in the history of branding and marketing. Given how common it is to retroactively refer to the first item in a series as "One" (Rambo 1, Rocky 1, Playstation 1, etc), it seems intentionally designed to cause confusion.

This is beyond being bizarre. I have never owned an Xbox, and always thought that Xbox One was a re-release of the original Xbox, similar to the Original PlayStation -> PS One. I am hearing it for the first time here that it was a third generation device.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by mmgutz »

gardenhedge wrote: post #390
Atotalnoob wrote: post #361

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Not really. It was a little confusing when they renamed .net core to .net, but most people have moved past it

Is it not currently asp.net core?

ASP is an odd name to an old hat like me. Active Server Pages haven't been a thing in a while.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by walterbell »

cjk2 wrote: post #143

If the following does not happen in 2 years I will eat my hat: They will have performance problems. They will have compatibility problems. They will have poor repairability and zero repair network and support. The software will be abandoned and completely useless within 18 months. They will fail very early but just outside a standard 1 year warranty. This will be a lot of e-waste. Regulatory or national bodies will s…

Does this prediction also apply to the HP, Dell and Lenovo devices with Qualcomm Oryon / Snapdragon X?
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