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Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Jan Leike has said he's leaving too https://twitter.com/janleike/status/1790603862132596961

There goes the so called superalignment: Ilya Jan Leike William Saunders Leopold Aschenbrenner All gone

Daniel “Quit OpenAI due to losing confidence that it would behave responsibly around the time of AGI”

“I think AGI will probably be here by 2029, and could indeed arrive this year”

Kokotajlo too.

We are so fucked

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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He showed exceptionally bad judgement, judgement is perhaps the most important characteristic of high level employees. He's brilliant, which means someone will take a leap of faith, but he badly, badly damaged his brand as a leader going forward.

Bad judgement? Sam Altman is a prolific liar who attempted to oust a board member by spreading different lies to different people. He's not even an engineer! He has established a cult of personality and popularity, and that's it. They were absolutely right to try to oust him. The only mistake was in doing so in such a ham-fisted manner.

> Bad judgement?

> Sam Altman is a prolific liar who attempted to oust a board member by spreading different lies to different people

Correct, it would be bad judgement. Because if he really believe in that statement, that Sam Altman is a hyper competent liar and manipulator, doing what Ilya did just led to Sam getting the keys to the kingdom.

This shows extraordinary incompetence from him and the rest of the board.

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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And none of them build AI companies in Toronto. I’m Canadian and disappointed at how ineffective we are at building successful companies.

Yeah Canada just spends a ton of taxpayer money to create great institutions like U of T and Waterloo, so that their graduates can all go to Silicon Valley and make 2-3x the money.

As if the tech economy in the US is unique for some reason

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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What? How is this not saying "Well, it might be in the best interests of humanity for OpenAI to do [hypothetical thing that seems pretty bad that OpenAI has never suggested to do], and because they may consider doing said thing, we shouldn't trust them"?

I think OP is just pointing out that "acting in the best interests of humanity" is fairly ambiguous and leaves enough room for interpretation and spin to cover any number of sins.

Okay this is reasonable, thanks for clarifying

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Ilya will literally have a blank check from almost all the VC's in the industry.

Well, no. No VC who wants anything to do with OpenAI would invest in Ilya. Ilya represents the anti-OpenAI ethos. So it would only be a VC who would be comfortable publicly being an anti-OpenAI VC, which is not that many.

VC wants to make money, and there’s a very high probability he can make somebody a lot of it.

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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10B$ says you're wrong.

10B is going to old mates mates. No new startups are getting it. It's also like pulling teeth trying to explain to people that if we don't offer compensation commensurate with what they get in the US people will just leave for the US. There is some form of brain damage where even people who know how to code assume that because you can get a crud developer for $80k a year you should get an AI researcher for $150,000.…

Compensation isn’t just money. Staying near family and friends is hard to measure. I’ve never moved country for $ alone.

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There goes the so called superalignment: Ilya Jan Leike William Saunders Leopold Aschenbrenner All gone

Daniel “Quit OpenAI due to losing confidence that it would behave responsibly around the time of AGI” “I think AGI will probably be here by 2029, and could indeed arrive this year” Kokotajlo too. We are so fucked

I am sorry, there must be some hidden tech, some completely different attempt to speak about AGI.

I really, really doubt that transformers will become AGI. Maybe I am wrong, I am no expert in this field, but I would love to understand the reasoning behind this "could arrive this year", because it reminds me about coldfusion :X

edit: maybe the term has changed again. AGI to me means truly understanding, maybe even some kind of consciousness, but not just probability... when I explain something, I have understood it. It's not that I have soaked up so many books that I can just use a probabilistic function to "guess" which word should come next.

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

#440

Why now?

One idea could be the product launch dev day, which is something that originally was a point of tension (overcommercialization vs research). Launching GPT-4o at a dev day basically asserts Sam is picking up no compromise on where they were 6mo ago. Good time to finally leave if protesting that is what he believes in.
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