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Taxi is not the main way to leave airports in large part of the world.
It definitely is not for narita, NEX brings you to Tokyo in an hour.
Why is it so hard to build an airport?
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Re: Why is it so hard to build an airport?
#432I would be pretty upset if all of a sudden my house was under the flight path of a new airport (and the associated economic consequences) but I always find it surprising how annoyed people get that put a house near an airport and then complain about it, where one of my parents lives there is a small but fairly busy private airport that has been there close to a hundred years, so almost no one that lives by it now can…
Of course this place was sold, both to renters and buyers, as ‘hip’, it was ‘the inner-city lifestyle’, it was ‘everything on your doorstep’.
And yet the neighbours. My god what cretins. Noise! On a weekend! They couldn’t bear it.
I think it should be flat-out forbidden to complain about noise if the thing you’re complaining about existed when you arrived.
Re: Why is it so hard to build an airport?
#433I would be pretty upset if all of a sudden my house was under the flight path of a new airport (and the associated economic consequences) but I always find it surprising how annoyed people get that put a house near an airport and then complain about it, where one of my parents lives there is a small but fairly busy private airport that has been there close to a hundred years, so almost no one that lives by it now can…
Portland, OR has a similar problem with the raceway. People buy houses near Portland International Raceway and then complain about the noise of race cars. Just doesn't make sense to me.
Noise is killer, even if you don't think it is. A well rested adult will not have any problems stomaching a single noisy night. But if every night is noisy you are going to fall apart after a while. Dosis making poisons etc. On a related note, sexism is bad for a similar reason. It is not about one asshole making one comment, once. What makws it bad is getting those constantly and from all kind of directions.
I once lived next to a main road and when I moved after a few years, the first night in a silent room felt like someone had lifted a sack of bricks from my chest. And I play in a rock band, so not the noise averse type.
Re: Why is it so hard to build an airport?
#434Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah I'm not against them, but it's very much a modest, incremental measure, like going from no bike lanes to painted bike lanes in the door zone. You need much bigger changes to truly make HSR viable imo.
I imagine most anywhere that would get an hsr would also have a present day bus system that can have routing better oriented to serve the new infrastructure. Bike lanes are always nice but I imagine not very many people are going to want to start their inter city trip with luggage in tow trying to lug that around on a bike.
Of course, the number of places with actually "good" bike infrastructure isn't very high. There's the Netherlands...and that's about it. And even the Netherlands doesn't really have "great" bike infrastructure as a standard (though it does have it in some places).
Re: Why is it so hard to build an airport?
#435Earlier quoted context omitted.
That sounds like exceptionally poor planning. Just to confirm, the new airport served pretty much only international flights? It should have been the nexus for domestic travel to connect to the big hop to Europe, meaning it should have had a ton of domestic routes as well feeding it.
Just to confirm, the new airport served pretty much only international flights? It was a pretty common urban planning concept for a large city to have one airport devoted mostly or entirely to domestic flights, and one mostly or entirely for international flights. New York domestic: EWR New York international: JFK New York freight: LGA Chicago domestic: MDW Chicago international: ORD Houston domestic: HOU Houston int…
Which, like urban highways, really doesn't make a sense in most cases if one spends a few minutes thinking about it. And especially doesn't make sense for an airport whose main traffic is connecting international and domestic flights.
Urban planners in many places in the 1950-1990 time were... special. Blindly copying bullshit that didn't make sense originally and definitely didn't make sense in their city.
Re: Why is it so hard to build an airport?
#436Earlier quoted context omitted.
In an urban environment you can build UP. Airports avoid structure over 40 or 50ft to avoid interfering with the controllers visibility. Instead of having one giant check in hall you could have one floor per airline, for instance.
Airports because of noise have plenty of space nobody else wants so building out isn't an issue.
Re: Why is it so hard to build an airport?
#437I would be pretty upset if all of a sudden my house was under the flight path of a new airport (and the associated economic consequences) but I always find it surprising how annoyed people get that put a house near an airport and then complain about it, where one of my parents lives there is a small but fairly busy private airport that has been there close to a hundred years, so almost no one that lives by it now can…
'I was there first' doesn't give you more property rights than the other person.
The amount of or location of the noise could change over time.
If the airport has been careless about noise for 20 years, that doesn't make it ok for them to continue.
Re: Why is it so hard to build an airport?
#438There's been discussions where the "next" airport should go in the Seattle region, and the consensus is that nobody wants it. The State Legislature created a commission to try and identify some potential sites, but the public backlash was so great that they ended up submitting it's final report with no actual recommendation. One of the interesting ideas (that was proposed even back when SEA was adding it's third runw…
Paine field is the new seattle area airport.
The state has created a new commission to start the new airport site selection process over again, but this time it will just be a recommendation.
The previous project that had been going on for many years was site selection and not just recommendation, but their selection(s) pissed off the people and so the whole thing got just got killed recently.
Re: Why is it so hard to build an airport?
#439I would be pretty upset if all of a sudden my house was under the flight path of a new airport (and the associated economic consequences) but I always find it surprising how annoyed people get that put a house near an airport and then complain about it, where one of my parents lives there is a small but fairly busy private airport that has been there close to a hundred years, so almost no one that lives by it now can…
One can be surprised by the traffic increase. "When I moved here 25 years ago, there was one flight in the morning and one in the afternoon. Now it's every 5 minutes from 6 am to 10 pm and they're trying to extend it post 10 pm!"
Re: Why is it so hard to build an airport?
#440I would be pretty upset if all of a sudden my house was under the flight path of a new airport (and the associated economic consequences) but I always find it surprising how annoyed people get that put a house near an airport and then complain about it, where one of my parents lives there is a small but fairly busy private airport that has been there close to a hundred years, so almost no one that lives by it now can…
I used to live above a Japanese bar in the centre of Melbourne, Australia. It was a busy street in a busy part of town. (Robot, for the locals.) Of course this place was sold, both to renters and buyers, as ‘hip’, it was ‘the inner-city lifestyle’, it was ‘everything on your doorstep’. And yet the neighbours. My god what cretins. Noise! On a weekend! They couldn’t bear it. I think it should be flat-out forbidden to c…
You never know: Maybe the bar owner has been a jerk to them, maybe it could be quieter. Also, a transient resident can have a much different perspective than someone who is there permanently.