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The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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There used to be a wealth of smaller "labor-of-love" websites from individuals doing interesting things. The weeds have grown over them and made it difficult to find these from the public web because these individuals cannot devote the same resources to SEO and SEM as teams of adtech affiliate marketers with LLM-generated content. When Google first came out, it was amazing how effective it was. In the years following…

such websites still get made all the time, they're just not useful for Google to surface. https://blog.kagi.com/small-web

Parent didn't say that they don't still get made, just that they are now much more difficult to discover which you repeated

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Damn autocorrect. I’ll fix it

Why correct it? It’s one of the few lovely things about modern tech - the occasionally poetic accidental turn of phrase that surprises and confounds!

Because there was a point I was trying to get across.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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I don't see how this points to downfall of society. IMO it's clearly a paradigm shift that we need to adjust to and adjustment periods are uncomfortable and can last a long time. LLMs are massive productivity boosters.

Do you remember when email first came around and it was a useful tool for connecting with people across the world, like friends and family? Does anyone still use email for that? We all still HAVE email addresses, but the vast majority of our communication has moved elsewhere. Now all email is used for is receiving spam from companies and con artists. The same thing happened with the telephone. It's not just text mess…

This isn't really an accurate comparison. Email and text messaging are, well, messaging platforms - they're used for direct communication and crucially, anyone can come knocking on your door. After a certain threshold of spammers begin taking over inboxes, people move onto something else.

The internet as a whole isn't that. By and large, you can curate your experience and visit only the places you want to visit. So why exactly would the mere existence of generative AI make an average high-quality website suddenly do a 180 and destroy itself?

I won't debate that garbage data will probably be easier to generate and there will be more of it, but the argument feels one-sided. People are talking like the only genuine use of generative AI is generating bad data and helping scammers, despite it opening a lot of other possibilities. It's completely unbalanced.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Although I agree with the title, I also don't think the internet is that significantly different from before GPTs 4, 3, or 2. Articles written by interns or Indian virtual assistants about generic topics are pretty much as bad as most AI generated material and isn't that distinguishable from it. It doesn't help that search engines today sort by prestige over whether your query matches text in a webpage. People aren't…

With respect, I think you're missing a key variable, which is volume. Sure, interns or outsourced content was there, but those are still humans, spending human-time creating that crap. Any limiter on the volume of this crap is now gone.

Plus, at worst, human writers simply regurgitate/summarize info from other articles. It's more work to intentionally write something false.

AI writing has no idea what is real or fake and doesn't care.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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> You no longer have to hire a copywriter, as many SEO spammers used to do. I used to do SEO copywriting in high school and yeah, ChatGPT's output is pretty much at the level of what I was producing (primarily, use certain keywords, secondarily, write a surface-level informative article tangential to what you want to sell to the customer). > At some point it may become impossible to separate the wheat from the chaff.…

I've rarely found stackoverflow to give useful answers. If I am looking for how to do something with Linux programming, I'll get a dozen answers, half of which are only partial answers, the other half don't work.

And to be fair, I've rarely found ChatGPT to give useful answers ... so I guess it produces perfect StackOverflow-like answers?

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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> The once ubiquitous phrase “let me Google that for you” is now meaningless. You are as likely to return incorrect information as you are complete fabrications, and the people who put this content on the Internet do not care. The people who hold the purse strings for Sports Illustrated are more interested in gaming Google search results and the resultant ad revenue from that practice than actually serving their readers.

The last part of the conclusion to this article is true: people who put shitty content on the Internet don't care, and are only interested in ad revenue. (Incidentally that's why advertising is bad: it gives the wrong incentives. It's possible that ad blockers will save the Internet.)

But the first part isn't true: Google is still useful, especially when used as it was first meant to be used. Google started as a search engine, meaning: a tool to find documents in a corpus. It wasn't an oracle, and still isn't, despite how much it wants to be, or users want it to be.

Search for documents, go read them, evaluate if what they say seems to make sense and who wrote them, try to do a comparison between different sources to see where they converge and where they diverge, and then draw your own conclusions.

> If that means the rest of us get information about inflamed penises when we’re trying to know how long sinus inflammation is supposed to last, well, I guess we’re shit out of luck.

If you can't be bothered to know the difference between a sinus and a penis then sorry, not sorry.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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One aspect of the spread of LLMs is that we have lost a useful heuristic. Poor spelling and grammar used to be a signal used to quickly filter out worthless posts. Unfortunately, this doesn't work at all for AI-generated garbage. Its command of the language is perfect - in fact, it's much better than that of most human beings. Anyone can instantly generate superficially coherent posts. You no longer have to hire a co…

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Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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One aspect of the spread of LLMs is that we have lost a useful heuristic. Poor spelling and grammar used to be a signal used to quickly filter out worthless posts. Unfortunately, this doesn't work at all for AI-generated garbage. Its command of the language is perfect - in fact, it's much better than that of most human beings. Anyone can instantly generate superficially coherent posts. You no longer have to hire a co…

> it may become impossible to separate the wheat from the chaff

It is already approaching the societal limit to separate careful thought from psyops and delusional nonsense.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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> No, that's never happened before. You're crazy. Start filling up Discords with insane AI-generated garbage, and maybe you can devalue the data to the point it won't get sold. It's probably totally practical too, just create channels filled with insane bots talking to each other, and cultivate the local knowledge that real people just don't go there. Maybe even allow the insane bots on the main channels, and cultiva…

The equivalent of "locals don't go to this area after dark"? I instinctively like it, but only because I flatter myself that I would be a local. I can't see it working to any scale.

> The equivalent of "locals don't go to this area after dark"?

We have this with human online places already it's called 4chan

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