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Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by ssijak »

gruez wrote: post #54
alpb wrote: post #26

Are you less safe on a 737 MAX than driving to the airport in a car? Genuinely curious, I’m trying to understand if this whole saga is statistically significant.

See: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38918665 I didn't bother calculating the rate for driving to the airport, but eyeballing the figures for cars, it's probably as about as dangerous if you assume that the 737 Max were 10x more dangerous than average flying. Cars are still more dangerous than planes on a per-mile basis, but at the same time you're also traveling less miles on the car trip compared to the flight…

statistic should be per hour spent in the transport, not per mile

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by datadeft »

dawnerd wrote: post #415
Fischgericht wrote: post #410

I find it puzzling that airlines are still ordering this plane. It's not just us, the customers, who should "vote with their feet", but the airlines, too. I would not buy from a vendor that is not able to have a QA process that makes sure all screws and bolts are in place, fastened and secured. Even if it would not be an airplane where this is critical for safety, even if it would just be a toaster, I would stop buyi…

What choice do they have? If they switch to Airbus they’re going to be waiting until at least 2030. They could buy used but that’s goes against why airlines are ordering new planes to begin with. And that’s not factoring in the maintenance cost in switching manufacturers. Thats why you’ll see airlines be a Boeing or Airbus only fleet.

Do you think it is better to buy a plane that potentially going to be grounded than wait?

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

pirate787 wrote: post #427
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #301

If you are outraged and want to be more than performative about it, check if your electeds are on the Senate Aviation Safety, Operations, and Innovation [1] and/or House Aviation Subcommittees [2]. If not, the broader Senate Commerce, Science and Transportation [3] and/or House Transportation & Infrastructure Committees [4]. Call their office (D.C., preferably) or submit a comment noting the issue and your concerns a…

Also I'd contact your favorite airlines and demand that they retire their MAX planes. https://www.transportation.gov/airconsumer/airline-consumer-...

> I'd contact your favorite airlines and demand that they retire their MAX planes

This isn't happening. Demand would swell well before price cuts made those planes uneconomical.

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by weaksauce »

diggan wrote: post #108
gruez wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>those use actual flight plan data, so will take into account any last minute aircraft changes. But at that point it's too late. I doubt people are that afraid of 737 Max that they'll cancel a flight (and forfeit their ticket) over it.

> But at that point it's too late. I doubt people are that afraid of 737 Max that they'll cancel a flight (and forfeit their ticket) over it. Luckily the airlines I travel with only use Airbus, but if they were using 737 Max, I'd definitely book tickets that I can change at the last minute, and refuse to board if it turns out to be a 737 Max. Yes, that's probably illogical. And probably much of life is illogical. But…

i'm not 100% sold on the automation that airbus provides. true that when all the sensors are working well it's fine and probably safer than boeing's methodology. however, when things go south there are something like 5 different layers of degraded "laws" of flight that have different levels of protection and can make what is an already cloudy situation even more stressful and dangerous. coupled with the blended control that each stick has can and has caused disasters before. with boeing the pilot flys the plane and there is less automation outside of the standard autopilot systems found on both methodologies.

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by ycombinete »

j-a-a-p wrote: post #223
jmward01 wrote: post #40

Aviation is safe. An issue happened and appropriate steps have immediately happened and in the end an already incredibly safe industry will be even safer. If a car has an issue we don't blink and we loose nearly 40k people a year in the US alone, but a plane has an issue and we panic. Yes, panic. This is not rational or helpful and is a huge reason why aviation is so antiquated. You want flying cars? Stop panicking a…

About statistics, another nice app based on the same ideas and fears is the Am I Going Down app. It lets you know how often you need to take the trip before you crash and die. [1] https://www.fearofflying.app/

Just bought that, thank you.

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by weaksauce »

Fischgericht wrote: post #410

I find it puzzling that airlines are still ordering this plane. It's not just us, the customers, who should "vote with their feet", but the airlines, too. I would not buy from a vendor that is not able to have a QA process that makes sure all screws and bolts are in place, fastened and secured. Even if it would not be an airplane where this is critical for safety, even if it would just be a toaster, I would stop buyi…

> And finally: It goes beyond my comprehension that someone would decide to build a version of the voice recorder specifically for the US that only stores 2 hours of voice, while the international version of the same plane stores 25. What kind of cost reduction per unit is that, $1 per airplane? Having two different models to "certify", produce and warehouse just to save a dollar or something per unit does not sound like any sane business decision.

pilots unions strongly fight against this for privacy reasons is why.

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by kube-system »

mkipper wrote: post #414
jessriedel wrote: post #346

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think airlines are a lot more responsible for verifying design flaws in their airplane than I am in my car. First, they are a giant business which has way more resources to do this. Second, they are selling a service. If I was running a US taxi service and bought a fleet of flawed Indian cars that caused crashes, I think I would be partially responsible.

This analogy isn't very convincing to me. Car manufacturing is a regulated industry. When I buy a car in the USA, even for my taxi business, I shouldn't need to hire a team of engineers to verify that it was properly designed and won't spontaneously combust. I should be able to assume that if the car is being legally sold to the public in the USA, the manufacturer has demonstrated that it meets some basic safety requ…

> I wouldn't consider myself responsible at all if my taxi happened to be the first 2025 Toyota Camry that spontaneously combusted from some design flaw.

Not that it is relevant to the overall relevance to the aviation argument here, but just in regards to cars in the US -- you often would be held liable for that, depending on which specific liability we are talking about, what the damages are, and in which jurisdiction you are operating in.

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by alkonaut »

diggan wrote: post #171
pb7 wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Multiply all these probabilities together and you have a better chance at winning a billion dollars in a lottery you didn't buy a ticket for.

Yes, if I was a perfectly reasonable and logical robot, I'd agree with you. But I'm a 30+ year old human, with plenty of experiences that "should never have happened" and "that was once in a million odds" that I won't risk it. I'd love it if I could turn off the lizard parts of my body, but I cannot. I try my best, but when it comes to life/death, I just trust my gut over anything else.

Anyone who would turn away from a MAX at the gate when they already bought the ticket, IF the relevant authorities (both US and elsewhere) say its safe enough, is probably not acting completely rationally but more on a gut feeling. That's fine. But it shouldn't be seen as some kind of demonstration of virtue or safe behavior (Especially if you get back in the car and out on the highway which is probably more likely to kill you)
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