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Re: IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023

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Post by booleandilemma » Tue, Jan 09, 2024, 5:28 AM UTC

ChumpGPT wrote: post #338

orochimaaru wrote: post #36

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I think a lot of big-co are setting up subsidiaries overseas and hiring there. It's different from the contract based offshoring model that happened in 2007 or so which had rather disastrous results. I know my company has and plans to have almost 1/2 its IT workforce as direct employees overseas.

As soon as your company hires a Indian CIO, you're done. More and more of the staff will be H1B's and over time they will transition the work to India. I could name a very big corporation doing that right now. The CIO they just hired (last 6 months) is an Indian who just finish doing this to the previous corporation he was a CIO at. Both these companies are the largest in their respective industries in the world.

We don't have an Indian CIO but the trend is generally true. Indian managers hire more Indians.

Re: IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023

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Post by agar » Tue, Jan 09, 2024, 5:32 AM UTC

unixfg wrote: post #271

pram wrote: post #262

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Pro tip: just don’t respond to the “good morning” messages. If they don’t follow up it wasn’t important anyway.

This is the reference I like: https://nohello.net

I admit to being guilty of the "YT?" or "Hi" type messages, but it's for a reason: the person may be presenting to a client and shared their screen instead of their window.

I've been on too many Zooms where the presenter's Slack pops up saying, "John, we have a call with about at 3:00. Can you join?"

Multiple times, this information was probably sensitive. I'd rather avoid that by waiting until I get a response.

Re: IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023

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Post by jonnycoder » Tue, Jan 09, 2024, 5:33 AM UTC

ctvo wrote: post #190

lhnz wrote: post #160

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I think this is very unfair. In the few months that I was looking, I put in more than 300 hours of study. It wasn't superficial and I didn't attempt to memorize anything — I wanted to understand fundamental techniques, and put a considerable amount of effort in to doing this, treating it as if it were my job. Nobody owes me anything but that doesn't mean that I'm not allowed to point out that this is the weakest I've…

> I put in more than 300 hours of study. It wasn't superficial and I didn't attempt to memorize anything — I wanted to understand fundamental techniques, and put a considerable amount of effort in to doing this, treating it as if it were my job. If you landed a job, do you think this new ability to implement a CS 101 data structure would let you keep it? Help in your performance in a measurable way? This is what I me…

Leetcode is not superficial when nearly all companies are using leetcode as a barrier to entry these days. Many of us with 10+ years of experience did not need to practice leetcode to get hired originally, but many would fail miserably today due to the time constraint and necessity to socialize/speak the problem while solving it in 45 min. Some practice problems took me all day at first, but after a while it became a skill of quickly identifying the type of data structure to use and solving it. It's great practice.

As for LLMs, it's probably the best thing to learn right now, especially by building something. I personally believe it will lead to an explosion in potential jobs. It's hard to describe but imagine a software engineer learning how to create a rest api for the first time after doing soap. And then integrating various apis to harness saas products, cloud deployments, etc back in the 2000s.

Then again I also talk to an ex-googler I met on Hacker News who built an LLM app and is now spending most of his time selling his saas product because he can't find a job either. That's a very positive go-getter attitude.

Re: IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Jan 09, 2024, 5:33 AM UTC

mmcgaha wrote: post #347

causality0 wrote: post #328

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People, particularly family, calling me on the phone and then asking me what I'm doing as if it's any of their business and it's their decision whether what they need is more important than what I'm doing is such a pet peeve of mine.

How do you start the conversation when you call your brother/sister?

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Re: IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023

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Post by huytersd » Tue, Jan 09, 2024, 5:33 AM UTC

booleandilemma wrote: post #429

Let's import more H-1B's.

Well their jobs are counted too in the figures. No one is getting jobs.

Re: IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023

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Post by bruce511 » Tue, Jan 09, 2024, 5:36 AM UTC

deathpanels wrote: post #186

giantg2 wrote: post #42

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Same. My "team" is doubling in size, but all the hires are international.

I bailed on a small local company in early 2021. I checked in with how they were doing recently. They laid off all the local developers, minus management (of course). They're hiring exclusively in Africa, the Middle-East, and South America. My current company has done the same thing by emphasizing that we're only hiring in our EU office. I've not seen many US based roles unless they are customer support related. It i…

>> actually innovate with a remote, largely foreign workforce.

As distinct from a remote, largely local, expensive workforce?

Innovation is often the mix of vision, direction, and implementation. AWS for example, was implemented by an offshore team. [1]

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Web_Services#:~:text=....

Re: IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023

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Post by jonnycoder » Tue, Jan 09, 2024, 5:42 AM UTC

Uptrenda wrote: post #393

I was laid off at the end of last year and at the time I felt pretty bad about it. To land that job I spent the longest period in my entire career applying to jobs and I was extremely worried I'd have to repeat that process. But you know what: there is something fundamentally different about the job market at this point of time, during this time of year. This is only anecdotal but I'm seeing some of the best companie…

Man I sure hope so. I spent the last month or two working on my portfolio website to help stand out. I built an interactive resume ai, mostly as novelty, but to help get back into frontend dev. I'm building projects, writing tech articles and engaging on twitter with fellow solopreneurs/entrepreneurs. My worst case scenario plan is to build something that makes me money eventually.

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Jan 09, 2024, 5:48 AM UTC

mschuster91 wrote: post #369

alasdair_ wrote: post #363

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Can you list some things graduates of this “secret sauce” have built?

We don't make glamorous "unicorns" in the US style as we lack both the financials (aka enormous amounts of dumb money floating around waiting to be invested - remember, we don't have 401k, we have rolling-contribution pensions so no need for that) and the culture (we're very risk averse)... but our "Mittelstand" has produced hundreds of small and medium size companies that are world leaders in their respective market…

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Re: IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023

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Post by osigurdson » Tue, Jan 09, 2024, 5:50 AM UTC

delphico wrote: post #418

osigurdson wrote: post #403

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I thought offshoring happened 20 years ago. I think today, it is more about aishoring, or the dream that it will be possible to do a lot with very few people.

Oh absolutely. The term is new (aishoring). There is chaos though (initial days of aishoring ?) The challenge I see is the following (or the management thought I see is the following) a) Hire some Junior devs, track them through spyware on the laptops b) Enterprise ChatGPT, Bard, c) CoPilot d) Spin features out Some senior folk reviews the code (we pay him top dollar, so 18 hours is reality he/she has to wake up to)…

I'm not sure the new model will be senior dev + junior devs + LLMs. Rather it is more likely that it will just be senior dev / person with ideas + LLM. At least that is how it seems that it should work. However, my own empirical evidence runs somewhat counter to that: ChatGPT has a tough time getting the details right. Perhaps in time we will get true amplification.

Re: IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023

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Post by BizarreByte » Tue, Jan 09, 2024, 5:53 AM UTC

1-6 wrote: post #23

DebtDeflation wrote: post #9

That confirms my anecdotal experience. At times I felt I was losing my mind with all the "record low unemployment" and "soft landing" stories in the press. 2021 and 2022 felt like great years in terms of the job market. 2023 felt horrible.

It’s still horrible and lots of people at large companies are worried of getting laid off any second.

I'm waiting for it too and I know more cuts are coming that could impact me. The stress is really bad for me right now and I was already stressed before.

I am absolutely not convinced that if I lose my job I can easily get another one that pays as well, which is saying something because my wage is pathetic compared to most people on HN.