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In 2024, please switch to Firefox
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Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox
#432Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't much care, TBH. Having worked in the Chromium codebase before, I know what an absolutely mammoth amount of engineering hours goes into that. V8 on its own is a technological miracle. But all funded by a firehose of crazy privacy invading ad revenue. So. I'll live with the odd pause and a bit of battery drain. I gave Google 10 years of my life as an employee in exchange for $$, I'm not interested in giving the…
I get it, it's a nice story, but here's a nice little life-hack: What if you could take the benefits of the spending and jettison the side-effects? It's called Brave, they have their own ad blocker in the source code written in C, so it can't be hamstrung.
Crypto crap, no thanks.
Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox
#433Maybe if they don’t align with Google agenda so much, I’ll switch. What’s the ethical of switching if Mozilla is just the non-profit arm of Google?
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Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox
#434Earlier quoted context omitted.
Firefox out of the box indeed does not cause broken websites. However, the demographic of this forum probably will use Firefox with "Multi-Account Containers", "Temporary Containers", "uBlock Origin", and a few more. These are amazing for privacy and productivity, but will occasionally cause broken websites. Source: I am a Firefox-first user who occasionally uses plugin-less Chrome because the aforementioned plugins…
> Firefox out of the box indeed does not cause broken websites. There are definitely websites that don't work with Firefox out of the box. Just one example that annoys me is https://mtgarena-support.wizards.com . "Firefox users: Firefox's Enhanced Tracking Protection may interfere with Sign In. Temporarily disable it in Firefox Privacy Settings to load the sign in screen."
There is a filter list for ublock origin that bypasses such things (and cookie consent popups).
That’s not “working out of the box”, but leads to a much less broken experience than chrome (especially with the manifest v3 BS).
Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox
#435Earlier quoted context omitted.
Which sites require those? How would that allow them to make more profit? I literally said if they want people to visit anywhere they use a site and if not they lock down the experience with an app, and you said they lock down apps as 'proof' that they'd lock down web sites because somehow they are equal. Apps have never been about freedom. Starbucks doesn't want user choice and privacy when they ask you to download…
> Which sites require those? How would that allow them to make more profit? Practically every banking site (or more importantly banking apps). And a lot of weird cases like bus/train timings app, mobile operator apps, etc. You don't see that a lot with websites yet because the web isn't so severely constrained as mobile apps are. But the moment they appear, it will go the other way. One good example of this is AMP -…
Making a website less accessible doesn't make any sense. You've given an example of apps like before and you've yet to substantiate any points you made, maybe bank logins have a reason to be secure but that forum you go to doesn't, and wouldn't do this.
If they wanted to make it less accessible they could easily do that by forcing you to use newer browser versions which some boilerplate sites with frameworks do, from lack of expertise. No "safety" required. I'm not going off feeling, I'm going off facts. It will NEVER happen.
Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox
#436I switched back to firefox last year and haven't looked back. I still use chrome on another laptop sometimes, the performance difference from my human perspective is literally zero. These days, it's much more common for me to encounter a website that works in firefox but not chrome than the other way around. I actually switched for good when I had to use firefox to file my taxes, because the IRS free self-file site w…
Firefox out of the box indeed does not cause broken websites. However, the demographic of this forum probably will use Firefox with "Multi-Account Containers", "Temporary Containers", "uBlock Origin", and a few more. These are amazing for privacy and productivity, but will occasionally cause broken websites. Source: I am a Firefox-first user who occasionally uses plugin-less Chrome because the aforementioned plugins…
> Source: I am a Firefox-first user who occasionally uses plugin-less Chrome because the aforementioned plugins (and "ClearURLs", "Consent-o-matic", and a few others) occasionally break websites.
I have good luck just using a private window, since that has no extensions by default. Bonus: It's really fast; ctrl-l ctrl-c ctrl-shift-p ctrl-c enter
Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox
#437Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nah, there's plenty of examples of sites breaking on Firefox. For example, the recent degraded performance on Youtube linked to Firefox User Agent strings.
Yeah but that's not on Mozilla in any way. That's just Google's anti-competitive practices. Firefox refuses to jump on Google's attempts to ban adblockers with Manifest V3 so Google wants to punish them
Manifest v3 does not ban adblockers, nor does the Chrome web store
Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox
#438Earlier quoted context omitted.
>\ Hot take: I tried FF for a long time but finally switched to Brave. Yes, I'll be downvoted for saying this but it's objectively one of my top 3 favorite browsers rn. 1. Brave 2. Edge 3. Safari I like each of them for different reasons. Brave (after disabling annoying features such as crypto and VPN) is awesome and its iOS app is the only one which can play videos in the background, has dark mode, and syncs really…
Brave and Edge are just chromium. Bro. You’re still using chrome.
Chromium !== Chrome.
Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox
#439People who use Chrome, or any Chrome-based browser, are inherently self-destructive and greatly confused.
Chrome, and Chrome-based browsers, perform worse, are buggier on; especially on non-Nvidia drivers and especially on OSes other than Windows Have what is considered an ideal AMD+AMD Linux box? Chrome, nor any Chrome-based browser, is for you. For extra irony: Chrome on Android and Android Webview sucks on any Qualcomm-based phone. Firefox? Smooth, high performance, nearly bug-free.
A lot of the sibling comments here tell insane stories like "I use Chrome because I once used a broken website." Fine, if a website goes out of its way to write HTML, CSS, or JS that is so non-standard and broken that it can't work on Firefox, then use Chrome for that website specifically; use Firefox for all the websites that actually are spec-compliant.
Side rant: I don't even know how webdevs are getting this wrong. There aren't webdevs in the traditional sense anymore, just a bunch of kids that are using whatever popular bullshit framework is out today, banging out some flavorless souless crap so they can collect a paycheck like the rest of us. Like, they're using React + one of the popular React UI things (Next or MUI or whater), or they're using Tailwind + something for the JS, or any one of the popular combinations... guess what? THEY ALL WORK ON FIREFOX 100% OUT OF THE BOX.
How are you screwing this up?! The work is already done for you! Stop going out of your way to break it!
Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox
#440I switched back to firefox last year and haven't looked back. I still use chrome on another laptop sometimes, the performance difference from my human perspective is literally zero. These days, it's much more common for me to encounter a website that works in firefox but not chrome than the other way around. I actually switched for good when I had to use firefox to file my taxes, because the IRS free self-file site w…
I'm a FF-first user but I definitely have had to keep Chrome around for a few things— my investment banking doesn't load in FF nor do some parts of Office 365.