Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom • Hacker News Board

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by hatsix » Mon, Dec 25, 2023, 4:34 PM UTC

RedShift1 wrote: post #228

braza wrote: post #125

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I don't own a Tesla, but I have a relevant anecdote related to your post. I rented a Model 3 in Switzerland and while the car was drivable, I felt that the interior was cheaply made, giving the impression that I was driving a toy car. The car had a lot of plastic and whenever I drove over bumpy roads, there were cracking friction sounds everywhere. Additionally, the acceleration was extremely sensitive, making it dif…

The interior is cheap. Even my 10 year old BMW 1 series interior feels better and is much sturdier.

Your BMW 1 series is considered a luxury car. A new sedan is close to twice the Model 3.

Tesla is not a luxury car company. You pay a premium for the electric part, and put up with everything else.

They took a risk that nobody else was willing to make and proved a market. We're in a better place, ecologically speaking because of them. Their cars are also cheaply made. Now that manufacturers that know what they're doing are competing, Tesla is in trouble.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by thechao » Mon, Dec 25, 2023, 4:38 PM UTC

cedilla wrote: post #395

dmix wrote: post #373

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HN is suddenly anti-innovation You must be a 100yr old conglomerate, those companies never do shady things or have failures in quality control.

A weird accusation. It's not the 100 year old multinationals at the bottom of the reliability indexes. Tesla is also no longer innovating, they are far behind in almost every way. They lost their lead in battery tech, marketing and assistance features.

The only reason I bought a Tesla in April of this year is because they'd sell me one. Every other car company gave me the same line: give us money, we'll call you in July/August. They all had outrageous dealer markups. Two weeks after I bought my car, Tesla lowered the price on the X: they sent me a check for the difference. I ended up calling customer service to figure out why they'd sent me a check!

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by jokoon » Mon, Dec 25, 2023, 4:38 PM UTC

deely3 wrote: post #264

jokoon wrote: post #105

Can't you all just use an electric bike or something? Or an electric scooter?

What is your solution for people that have two or more childrens in two different schools when road covered in ice or 3in of snow? Or when its -17 celsius outside?

that's a strawman

most people don't have young kids or have snow covered roads

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by fragmede » Mon, Dec 25, 2023, 4:38 PM UTC

cyberax wrote: post #24

m463 wrote: post #11

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All this should be recommended in the UI. The car DOES have maintenance needs. Lots of people in models X & S are surprised to find their seemingly ok tires are NOT OK because they wear very quickly on the non-visible inside edge. there are brakes on the car, which have pads and fluid. There is coolant for the battery. Honestly, there should be a maintenance screen in the UI. You should be able to replace tires, or w…

Brakes are probably going to last for at least 100k miles easily. Mine are still fine after 150k miles.

Regenerative braking means the pads basically never get used, so they should be good for a really long time compared to an ICE vehicle.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by zdragnar » Mon, Dec 25, 2023, 4:40 PM UTC

Der_Einzige wrote: post #315

light_hue_1 wrote: post #269

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This is like reading a review of an iphone from an older dedicated blackberry user. It can take a bit to get used to advances in technology. The Tesla UI is the best car UI I've ever used. By far. I would never want to go back. 1. There's zero guessing. The steering wheel touch zones are very nicely marked by bumps. I have never put my finger in the wrong spot. 2. You can configure the steering wheel buttons to do so…

We don't like "getting used to" going back in history. Where the f*ck is a HUD in a tesla? That's exactly the kind of car which should be getting cool space-age tech like that. Elon already went on twitter and said no HUD ever and disparaged people asking for it. Why did another comment saying basically the same thing get mass downvoted and killed? HUDs are some of the coolest features in cars and tesla refusing to i…

I've seen a HUD in a non-Tesla car and it was a gimmick at best.

At worst, it obscures part of your vision. It also causes more eye strain to use, because there's movement in the background compared to a dashboard.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by fragmede » Mon, Dec 25, 2023, 4:40 PM UTC

coryrc wrote: post #429

mantas wrote: post #180

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Pads and rotors - yes. Fluid - probably not. Usually changing fluid every 2 years is a good idea. Both to keep brakes performance and prevent rusting due to water slowly making it’s way into the system.

I've never changed every two years on any vehicle.

That's a useless data point without knowing how much you drive. a taxicab or police vehicle racks up hundreds of thousands of miles per year, and thus needs fluids far more often than every two years.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 » Mon, Dec 25, 2023, 4:41 PM UTC

amazingman wrote: post #425

gonzo41 wrote: post #374

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Honestly, That's not good enough. In the car world you can recruit car engineers to fix simple car production problems. Objectively most of Tesla's issues are due to the poor fit and finish of the cabin and general fitment of things together. IF you ignore the whole electric engine and just treat it like and ice vehicle, Telsa should just be building on the knowledge of others and hiring Toyota engineers to help the…

>In the car world you can recruit car engineers to fix simple car production problems. I'm no "car engineer", but I doubt most of Tesla's production issues are "simple". >Change the genre of product to Tech / software engineering. If Telsa was a software company shipping a crap product that broke all the time and then suddenly you found out that they didn't do XYZ of industry standard you'd hold them to account for n…

I don't know why you think Google Docs, Sheets and Slides are terrible products, I personally think they're great and much better than the alternatives that came before them, particularly in the problems they wanted to solve: fully Web-based document creation, editing and storage, and collaboration.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by hef19898 » Mon, Dec 25, 2023, 4:43 PM UTC

flutas wrote: post #394

hef19898 wrote: post #360

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Translation: Teslas, not sure which model you looked up, have such bad suspension and stearing that tires, ubder regular use, worn down inconsistently. Which shouldn't be an issue in modern cars running proper tires and tire pressure.

> Translation: Teslas, not sure which model you looked up, have such bad suspension and stearing that tires, ubder regular use, worn down inconsistently. Which shouldn't be an issue in modern cars running proper tires and tire pressure. Ah yes, "Big Tesla" must have gotten to...checks notes...Michelin tires[0], Ford[1], Toyota[2] and more... Your ignorance to cars and blind hatred to Tesla is showing BTW. [0]: https:…

Inconsistent tire wear has nothing to do with the tires and all with the car so. Oh, and wrong tires (as in tires not meeting speed, load or dimension requirements), tires wrongly mounted on the rims (common among "tuners") or wrong tire preasure.

How much do you know about cars or mechanical engineering?

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by brandonagr2 » Mon, Dec 25, 2023, 4:43 PM UTC

cedilla wrote: post #395

dmix wrote: post #373

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HN is suddenly anti-innovation You must be a 100yr old conglomerate, those companies never do shady things or have failures in quality control.

A weird accusation. It's not the 100 year old multinationals at the bottom of the reliability indexes. Tesla is also no longer innovating, they are far behind in almost every way. They lost their lead in battery tech, marketing and assistance features.

How is this report a reliability index? If you service your car often because it needs constant maintenance (oil changes), the safety inspection won't find minor issues to complain about

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by rvba » Mon, Dec 25, 2023, 4:43 PM UTC

prmoustache wrote: post #71

silisili wrote: post #51

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My last two new ICE cars had horrible infotainment that crashed constantly, loose fits, and an interior that rattles until it drives one to violence. I'd say they are competing on even grounds here.

Aren't everybody using android auto (or its Apple equivalent) these days anyway? The builtin infotainment system is usually just a second thought that exist just to showcase something in the showroom and setup android auto at first use.

Will android auto even work wireless? Any bigger bump and it stops working, so I jut put my phone in a plastic handle that is attached to the window with a suction cup..