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Meta censors pro-Palestinian views on a global scale, report claims

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Post by wokwokwok »

slim wrote: post #415
rayiner wrote: post #380

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For example, the phrase "from the river to the see" is considered hateful by many The phrase has its origins in Arab nationalism. It was coined in 1960 by the PLO to refer to the goal of an Arab state that occupies the entirety of what was Mandatory Palestine. If you ignore the subtext of “what happens to the Jews in that situation” I suppose you can make a case for it. It’s like the confederate flag. In the 20th c…

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Maybe instead of shouting at each other, and deliberately string up everyone, people should all calm down?

I know it hard to feel calm when things like are happening, and everyone wants to blame someone else, but there’s a whole lot of shared responsibility in what’s happening right now.

I care about what’s happening to folk in Palestine a lot, but I also care about the Jews in Israel and what happens to them.

Those are not mutually exclusive things…

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Post by sampo »

turquoisevar wrote: post #414
rayiner wrote: post #380

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For example, the phrase "from the river to the see" is considered hateful by many The phrase has its origins in Arab nationalism. It was coined in 1960 by the PLO to refer to the goal of an Arab state that occupies the entirety of what was Mandatory Palestine. If you ignore the subtext of “what happens to the Jews in that situation” I suppose you can make a case for it. It’s like the confederate flag. In the 20th c…

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> The phrase, which in Arabic isn’t “from the river to the sea” but rather translates to “from the water to the water”

Full chant is:

من الميه للميه – فلسطين عربيه

(Min al-mayya lil-mayya, Filasteen Arrabiya)

"From the Water to the Water, Palestine is Arab."

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Post by ImJamal »

slim wrote: post #415
rayiner wrote: post #380

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For example, the phrase "from the river to the see" is considered hateful by many The phrase has its origins in Arab nationalism. It was coined in 1960 by the PLO to refer to the goal of an Arab state that occupies the entirety of what was Mandatory Palestine. If you ignore the subtext of “what happens to the Jews in that situation” I suppose you can make a case for it. It’s like the confederate flag. In the 20th c…

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Perhaps you should think about Jews who are in Israel who are not involved with ethnic cleansing? Do you think the Palestinians will make a distinction or would even have a way of knowing who was in support of such policies?

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Post by kar5pt »

bawolff wrote: post #383

Kind of a click-bait headline. To quote the actual report: "This distribution of cases does not necessarily reflect the overall distribution of censorship." They asked people to self-report instances. There is probably selection bias (maybe they advertised only to the pro-palestian crowd. Maybe the israeli crowd thinks HRW is biased and didn't want to engage. Maybe something else). There is probably also base rate fa…

HRW has a reputation for being biased against Israel: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Human_Rights_Wa... . Regardless of whether that's true, it could explain why pro-Israel folks wouldn't want to engage with them.

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Post by coryrc »

slim wrote: post #415
rayiner wrote: post #380

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For example, the phrase "from the river to the see" is considered hateful by many The phrase has its origins in Arab nationalism. It was coined in 1960 by the PLO to refer to the goal of an Arab state that occupies the entirety of what was Mandatory Palestine. If you ignore the subtext of “what happens to the Jews in that situation” I suppose you can make a case for it. It’s like the confederate flag. In the 20th c…

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"peacefully"

House to house, Arab mobs went, bursting into every room looking for hiding Jews. Religious books and scrolls were burned or torn to shreds. The defenseless Jews were variously beheaded, castrated, their breasts and fingers sliced off, and in some cases their eyes plucked from their sockets. Infant or adult, man or woman—it mattered not.

https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/134601

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Post by verbify »

slim wrote: post #415
rayiner wrote: post #380

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For example, the phrase "from the river to the see" is considered hateful by many The phrase has its origins in Arab nationalism. It was coined in 1960 by the PLO to refer to the goal of an Arab state that occupies the entirety of what was Mandatory Palestine. If you ignore the subtext of “what happens to the Jews in that situation” I suppose you can make a case for it. It’s like the confederate flag. In the 20th c…

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> the jews lived peacefully in Palestine for centuries alongside christians and muslims before colonization

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1517_Hebron_attacks

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Ottoman...

There were periods of peace, but they were also second class citizens and occasionally the victims of massacres.

Re: Meta censors pro-Palestinian views on a global scale, report claims

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Post by kar5pt »

Their methodology seems really flawed. They cherry picked a thousand instances of wrongly removed content, but how many posts do you think there are about the conflict on Facebook and Instagram? Tens of millions? They have no way of knowing how representative that sample is.

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Post by anigbrowl »

trhway wrote: post #384
nradov wrote: post #382

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And yet when Russia invaded Ukraine, Meta changed their policy and made it acceptable to advocate violence against Russians. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/exclusive-facebook-inst... Personally, I oppose both Russian expansionism and the genocidal antisemitic Hamas terrorist movement, so the Meta policy aligns with my views. But I am deeply uncomfortable with having a small cabal of Silicon Valley executives de…

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The "from the river to the sea" is a call for genocide of Israelis.

No it isn't. Expressing a desire for freedom and regaining ownership of land may make occupiers uncomfortable, but that doesn't constitute genocide.

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Post by zer0zzz »

nosefurhairdo wrote: post #395
bawolff wrote: post #383

Kind of a click-bait headline. To quote the actual report: "This distribution of cases does not necessarily reflect the overall distribution of censorship." They asked people to self-report instances. There is probably selection bias (maybe they advertised only to the pro-palestian crowd. Maybe the israeli crowd thinks HRW is biased and didn't want to engage. Maybe something else). There is probably also base rate fa…

The paragraph in question: > Human Rights Watch solicited cases of any type of online censorship and of any type of viewpoint related to Israel and Palestine. Of the 1,050 cases reviewed for this report, 1,049 cases documented involved examples of online censorship and suppression of content in support of Palestine, while one case contained an example of removal of content in support of Israel.[2] This distribution o…

> I get the sense these sorts of reports are designed to turn into headlines.

Bingo.

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Post by johnnyworker »

sudopluto wrote: post #418
CommanderData wrote: post #211

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People always talk about ending the killing of children... I think the best way to stop children from being in harm in the first place. Hamas's strategy of using children as human shields will be validated if they escape destruction, inviting them to do it again and again. War is hell, in this case I have zero sympathy for the people who have repeatably started war after war after war, condemning the future of their…

They are blowing up courts with no fighters in them, talk on TV about making Gaza unlivable. Netanyahu even invoked Amalek! That's barefaced genocide, against a population half of which are under the age of 15. With extreme military firepower. Soldiers making videos about what they find in private residences, mocking "Arab sluts". Minimum sentence for throwing a rock against a tank is like what, 20 years? They are occupying, annexing, ethnically cleansing guys. But they're "not bad guys" because others are supposedly worse. Right.

Given that, I don't care who you have sympathy for. You excuse bombing a population of mostly children by talking about people who "repeatedly started war after war" (why be content with "repeatedly" or "war after war" when you can just double and triple it and lather it on endlessly).

You will not drag the rest of us along into that monstrous guilt.

And Hamas is not your concern, what the companies and governments you do support and/or are affiliated with are supporting is. Which is genocide.

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