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Tinnitus linked to undetected auditory nerve damage

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Re: Tinnitus linked to undetected auditory nerve damage

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Can you describe in more detail how you adjust your position? You move your neck back, I guess, and anything else?

IIRC, when I was trying to mask the sound with the shower I noticed that it's not working when the water is cold or when I'm not comfortably under it. Then I had a few days of road trip without the laptop and noticed improvement when I was driving, sitting up straight. So I decided to work on this and bought a keyboard and a mouse and made myself a rule that I will always use the laptop with a stand or external displ…

Can you tell more about the orthopedically correct way to sleep? Or refer to something?

Re: Tinnitus linked to undetected auditory nerve damage

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Yes, this is called somatic tinnitus and is actually quite common. Like you, I had this since I was a little child and thought this was normal. Only when I first heard of tinnitus as a juvenile, I realized that this is what I had. There have been small studies regarding somatic tinnitus, see for instance https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2633109/ For modifying tinnitus loudness, the most common is that it…

It seems like some cases of tinnitus may be due to tight muscles, too. I don't usually suffer it, but when I do, I've noticed that sometimes massaging the back of the head or jaw can make it just go away. I doubt this works for everyone or for every cause, but it's simple enough to be worth trying to see if it does anything helpful.

This sounds like the tmj type. Probably most common type I've heard for muscular related, and even some ENTs will know about it

Grinding teeth at night is a common influencing factor, many other causes for tight tmj muscle

Scm area and neck-shoulder is a slightly lesser known but common category I've heard of where muscle s can influence tinnitus. I've heard forward neck posture and less developed core / & core breathing can be common influence for this kind, but similarly there many are other causes/influences. It also iirc stretches more than one muscle in the neck to shoulder that's common.

When learning more about these things, I liked a lot 1) "A multidisciplinary European guideline for tinnitus: diagnostics, assessment, and treatment" 2) Tufts eye and ear tinnitus seminar (video series from several years back)

Probably a few other resources, but those seem like the best to advertise on HN. There is extensive information elsewhere but more filtering required. E.g, some of the forums have great posts, but also a lot of other posts less great for general topic intro.

Sympathy and love, though, if anyone reading is having a hard time right now w/tinnitus. It can be difficult at times and in some circumstances. Id also like to note if you do have tinnitus and don't want to read more, that's ok too! For some people reading is the last thing they really need, and that's ok

Re: Tinnitus linked to undetected auditory nerve damage

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I don’t know if this is a clue, but I can do muscle movements in my head/face/jaw to make the tinnitus worse (only as I make the movements, immediately reverting back to “normal” tinnitus as soon as I relax). Some examples: - jutting my jaw forwards - moving my ears back with my face muscles - pushing downward on the top of my head with my hands Another possible clue: this has been true since I can remember — even as…

Jutting my jaw forwards has the same effect on me. But not the other two.

Makes me curious!

Re: Tinnitus linked to undetected auditory nerve damage

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Pretty much everyone got covid anyway. The vaccine was an unnecessary intervention that didn't do anything to stop covid and caused harm to many people. Just admit you were conned into taking it. Haven't you noticed, after smearing, slandering and discriminating against those who chose not to take it, there is very little interest in following up with comparisons between the two groups? You would have expected scient…

I haven’t had covid, as far as I know. Of course I saw the recommendations to get the vaccine, but I didn’t see any smearing or slandering or conning, I don’t know what you’re referring to. The company I work for did allow vaccinated people to return to work before unvaccinated people, and to me that seemed like a prudent choice at the time, but the vaccine requirement was dropped at my work a long time ago. I’m sorr…

You are willingly blind if you didn't notice the smearing and slandering and discrimination.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-10294225/Its-time...

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/noam-chomsky-says-the-un...

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/12/16/politics/joe-biden-warnin...

And yes it does matter that people caught covid after as we were promised the opposite. Some people lost everything as a result of the totalitarian lockdowns so we could wait on the savior of a vaccine that turned out to b a complete failure. Some people lost their lives to the useless "vaccine".

No mRNA product had ever been approved for human us despite the decades of research. Why not?

And these "vaccines" caused tinnitus in many people, so it is relevant.

Re: Tinnitus linked to undetected auditory nerve damage

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Th vaccine worked well then. Let me guess, it would have been so much worse without it...

I cannot test that counterfactual now, can I? But some people had it worse, so I guess it didn't hurt. And it is probable that vaccines protected me from original strains, which were worse. If anything, I'm dissapointed that they didn't develop vaccines for new strains soon enough.

The original strain was likely extinct by the time you got your vaccine. But take an extra booster for the same strain, that will fix it.

Re: Tinnitus linked to undetected auditory nerve damage

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I haven’t had covid, as far as I know. Of course I saw the recommendations to get the vaccine, but I didn’t see any smearing or slandering or conning, I don’t know what you’re referring to. The company I work for did allow vaccinated people to return to work before unvaccinated people, and to me that seemed like a prudent choice at the time, but the vaccine requirement was dropped at my work a long time ago. I’m sorr…

You are willingly blind if you didn't notice the smearing and slandering and discrimination. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-10294225/Its-time... https://nationalpost.com/news/world/noam-chomsky-says-the-un... https://edition.cnn.com/2021/12/16/politics/joe-biden-warnin... And yes it does matter that people caught covid after as we were promised the opposite. Some people lost everything as a result of the…

You’re talking about tabloid journalism?? The CNN link has no smearing, slandering or discrimination. It simply recommends the vaccine and says there are consequences to not taking it, which is true. It certainly has a lean toward recommending the vaccine, and it’s true that there could be consequences to taking it. That’s just a bit of bias, not slander or smear. Do you have personal experience that’s making you upset about the Covid vaccine?

Yes the vaccine might be relevant to tinnitus, and like I said Covid and the flu and catching a cold has also lead to many many people saying those things caused tinnitus. Claiming the vaccine itself is the direct cause of the tinnitus is unjustified and therefore misleading. If the cause is inflammation, then anything that causes inflammation can lead to tinnitus, whether it’s a vaccine or catching a flu or hitting your head. The tinnitus may have nothing to do with the Covid vaccine specifically, it may be nothing more than a byproduct of activating your immune system.

Re: Tinnitus linked to undetected auditory nerve damage

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post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IIRC, when I was trying to mask the sound with the shower I noticed that it's not working when the water is cold or when I'm not comfortably under it. Then I had a few days of road trip without the laptop and noticed improvement when I was driving, sitting up straight. So I decided to work on this and bought a keyboard and a mouse and made myself a rule that I will always use the laptop with a stand or external displ…

Can you tell more about the orthopedically correct way to sleep? Or refer to something?

Oh it's nothing formal, I just try to avoid any stress to my spine. That is, I don't sleep in strange positions that I used to sleep and I changed my bed to a stiffer one because the old one was deforming too much by my weight and this was causing my sleeping position to be slightly curved.

I also looked around the internet for recommendations but they all converge the idea that you shouldn't be forcing your spine to stay in a curved position beyond the natural curve for too long.

Re: Tinnitus linked to undetected auditory nerve damage

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post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IIRC, when I was trying to mask the sound with the shower I noticed that it's not working when the water is cold or when I'm not comfortably under it. Then I had a few days of road trip without the laptop and noticed improvement when I was driving, sitting up straight. So I decided to work on this and bought a keyboard and a mouse and made myself a rule that I will always use the laptop with a stand or external displ…

Would you be so kind to translate those?

Sure, they are quite simple instructions.

1) Shows the starting position

2) It says this is exercise for strengthening the muscles. Each of these should be repeated 3 times.

a) Put your hands on your forehead, try to move your head forward as you push back against it with your hands. Do this for 10 seconds and release.

b) The same but this time to back

c) The same but to the sides

d) Hold your head with your hands, one on the forehead and one on the back of your head. Try to rotate your head but stop it with your hands, do this for 10 seconds in both directions.

e) You hold your hands in the shown positions and push against, one hand pushes against the other. The illustration is not very clear but basically you start from the lower position and go higher. After the push, you do the same but this time you hold your hands and stretch.

3) Is for preserving your ability to move. You repeat each one 5 times.

a) You look left by rotating your head, wait 3 seconds the look forward. Then do the same to the other direction.

b) You lean your head until your chin touches your chest and wait 3 seconds, then look straight again but don't push it too much. Then the same but to the back.

c) The same idea but to the sides. Try to lean your head until your ear touches your shoulder but don't push it too much.

d) You rotate your head as much as you can, wait 3 seconds and go back. Then to the other direction. Don't push it too much. Do this 3 times but it's not recommended for old people.

e) Lift your shoulders up and try to get them close to each other at the back. Hold 3 seconds, then go back to the starting position. Do this 10 times.

Re: Tinnitus linked to undetected auditory nerve damage

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Would you be so kind to translate those?

Sure, they are quite simple instructions. 1) Shows the starting position 2) It says this is exercise for strengthening the muscles. Each of these should be repeated 3 times. a) Put your hands on your forehead, try to move your head forward as you push back against it with your hands. Do this for 10 seconds and release. b) The same but this time to back c) The same but to the sides d) Hold your head with your hands, o…

Thank you very much.

Re: Tinnitus linked to undetected auditory nerve damage

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I don’t know if this is a clue, but I can do muscle movements in my head/face/jaw to make the tinnitus worse (only as I make the movements, immediately reverting back to “normal” tinnitus as soon as I relax). Some examples: - jutting my jaw forwards - moving my ears back with my face muscles - pushing downward on the top of my head with my hands Another possible clue: this has been true since I can remember — even as…

I have found that if I meditate and “focus” on the area where my inner ear/behind my ear is eventually I can quiet the tinnitus some or even completely. I’ve been able to reproduce it three or four different times. I imagine the nerve endings shrinking, receding, or calming down, and it causes some relief. Could be psychosomatic but it is repeatable and the effect lasts

I can only make it louder, not quieter :(
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