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Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

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wavemode wrote: post #356
lenerdenator wrote: post #289

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I mean I'm not a lawyer (of the big city or simple country varieties, or any other variety) but if you talk to most HR people they'll tell you that if they ever get a phone call from a prospective employer to confirm details about someone having worked there previously, the three things they'll typically say are: 1) a confirmation of the dates of employment 2) a confirmation of the role/title during employment 3) whe…

Someone at OpenAI hates the man's guts. It's that simple. Even with very public cases of company leaders who did horrible things (much worse than lying), the companies that fired them said nothing officially. The person just "resigned". There's just no reason open up even the faintest possibility of an expensive lawsuit, even if they believe they can win. So yeah, someone definitely told the lawyers to go fuck themse…

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Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

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Post by latexr »

grpt wrote: post #256
malinens wrote: post #228

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Verifying phone number is one of the last things which is still effective when fighting against bot registrations. Alternative is to ask money for registration. Here is idea for hacker news crowd: make service which is a proxy for phone number validation: user needs to validate his phone number once in that app and any other 3rd-party service can ask this app for security code which confirms phone number ownership. W…

> Alternative is to ask money for registration. I'm 100% ok with this. I have the choice of using a Visa/MC gift card I bought with cash. Same as I can do with Netflix. Better than linking a unique ID I use everywhere else. I think what bugs me the most is that there's no direct need for the phone. It's reasonable to give my phone number to a doctor's office because I need to hear from them over the phone.

> I have the choice of using a Visa/MC gift card I bought with cash.

Technically you can also pay for a burner service to get temporary phone numbers to receive SMSs for registering to services. Can’t attest if any of them are good or trustworthy. I recently looked into it but everything I found was a subscription and/or shady looking.

Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

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Post by hypercube33 »

jonas_kgomo wrote: post #395
nostrademons wrote: post #389

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Yeah, this is more abrupt and more direct than any CEO firing I've ever seen. For comparison, when Travis Kalanick was ousted from Uber in 2017, he "resigned" and then was able to stay on the board until 2019. When Equifax had their data breach, it took 4 days for the CEO to resign and then the board retroactively changed it to "fired for cause". With the Volkswagon emissions scandal, it took 20 days for the CEO to r…

what examples are you considering here, bioweapons?

Well OpenAI gets really upset when you ask it to design a warp drive so maybe that was it.

Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

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Geee wrote: post #168

I think I see it now. Speculation following: They achieved AGI internally, but didn't want OpenAI to have it. All the important people will move to another company, following Sam, and OpenAI is left with nothing more than a rotting GPT. They planned all this from the start, which is why Sam didn't care about equity or long-term finances. They spent all the money in this one-shot gamble to achieve AGI, which can be re…

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Post by chairhairair »

krapp wrote: post #419
chairhairair wrote: post #414

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This is immensely dumb. What secret cabal of researchers would they be hiring that would be capable of being ahead of Deepmind/OpenAI? Where exactly would they find these people? Shadow MIT? CalTech2?

Military and intelligence technology is almost always ahead of the private sector. Governments have practically infinite money and resources to throw at the problem, including for recruiting and industrial espionage.

The only people who think this are people who have never been associated with a top research org. You NEVER hear about anyone, let alone the top people, going to work for government. They all get scooped up with big tech salaries or stay in academia.

The military would need to be literally breeding geniuses and cultivating a secret scientific ecosystem to be ahead on AI right now.

Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

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Post by pdpi »

throwaway4aday wrote: post #313
cowl wrote: post #252

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Could have been only Sam that was under Vote and Greg being forced to step down after he voted in his favour maybe in a second vote later.

Why would Greg have said "after learning today's news" if he took part in the vote? If he decided to quit immediately after the vote then why would the board issue a statement saying he was going to stay on? I don't think he took part, the others probably convened a meeting and cast a unanimous vote, issued the statement and then contacted Greg and Sam. The whole thing seems rushed so that's probably how it would hav…

> If he decided to quit immediately after the vote then why would the board issue a statement saying he was going to stay on?

Why would they issue a statement saying that he was going to stay on without some form of assurance from him?

I mean, you're writing a release stating that you're firing your CEO and accusing him of lack of candor. Not exactly the best news to give. You're chasing that with "oh by the way, the chairman of the board is stepping down too", so the news are going from bad to worse. The last thing you want is to claim that said chairman of the board is staying as an employee to have him quit hours later. I find it hard to believe that they'd make mistake as dumb as announcing Greg was staying without some sort of assurance from him, knowing that Greg was Sam's ally.

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Post by moralestapia »

johnwheeler wrote: post #84

Edit: I called it https://twitter.com/karaswisher/status/1725682088639119857 nothing to do with dishonesty. That’s just the official reason. ———- I haven’t heard anyone commenting about this, but the two main figures here-consider: This MUST come down to a disagreement between Altman and Sutskever. Also interesting that Sutskever tweeted a month and a half ago https://twitter.com/ilyasut/status/1707752576077176907 Th…

>https://twitter.com/ilyasut/status/1707752576077176907

Dang! He left @elonmusk on read. Now that's some ego at play.

Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

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Post by Apocryphon »

lucubratory wrote: post #421
jonas_kgomo wrote: post #395

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what examples are you considering here, bioweapons?

I don't think the person you are replying to is correct, because the only technological advancement where a new OpenAI artifact provides schematics that I think could qualify is Drexler-wins-Smalley-sucks style nanotechnology that could be used to build computation. That would be the sort of thing where if you're in favour of building the AI faster you're like "Why wouldn't we do this?" and if you're worried the AI m…

> I don't think it's correct not because it sounds like a sci-fi novel, but because I think it's unlikely that it's even remotely plausible that a new version of their internal AI system would be good enough at this point in time to do something like that

Aren't these synonymous at this point? The conceit that you can point AGI at any arbitrary speculative sci-fi concept and it can just invent it is a sci-fi trope.

Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

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Post by moralestapia »

duringmath wrote: post #126
jeron wrote: post #106

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the theory that Altman did something in bad faith means that it might not be a disagreement but it's something that forced Sutskever to vote against Sam

The theory is Altman gave his eye scanning crypto company early access to openAI tech without telling anyone and what ensued is just FAFO in action.

I'm also inclined to believe something like this happened.
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