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Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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Some countries like Denmark (starting 2020) have banned paying with the 500 Euro bank note. It's also no longer printed, but some 600 million of them still exist. I've seen a documentary where (I think it was Swedish police) would like to ban 200 Euro notes as well.

Well thats weird. Because Denmark doesn't use the Euro. Why in the world would it be accepted anywhere when it isn't used? Same goes for Sweden.

Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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> Why would someone need to pay for 10k in cash? The answer to this is very simple: none of your business. I take strong issue with the word "need." Why do you need that car? That television? That four bedroom house? Why do you need that bow and arrow? For sport, you say? Why not play some ball game instead? Why do you need a chess set when you can play digitally online without killing a tree? Why do you need those f…

> The answer to this is very simple: none of your business. It kinda is. Paying something $10,000 cash strongly suggests you’re buying something illegal, or you got this money illegally (not necessarily unethically, but still illegally). That the only argument you can find is « it’s none of your business » doesn’t exactly play against this ruling.

> Paying something $10,000 cash strongly suggests you’re buying something illegal, or you got this money illegally (not necessarily unethically, but still illegally).

Since when?

Maybe I just want to buy a handsome dog that won a show?

Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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You can deposit whatever amount you want into your bank account, they just might ask questions regarding where the money came from, and if you show that you sold products there's zero issues.

> show that you sold products there's zero issues well, there might be one small issue! how can you 'show you sold products'? after all, you sold them!! isn't the cash sufficient to show you sold products? hasn't it been sufficient for thousands of years?

This isn't the gotcha you think it is. As for all businesses transactions, you should file it in your accounting software and make sure you pay taxes, vat etc on it. This law changes nothing in that regard.

Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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Right, but they don't control the distribution and transaction of cash. They may stop producing €500 notes—for example, but there is nothing they can do to stop these farmers or undocumented immigrants from bundling together >€3000 in smaller notes for use in paying rent, buying cars, or investments.

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> they find more than 3000 eur in one place that is not pre authorized, they will confiscate

Any sources which would substantiate this claim?

Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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Won't this just encourage large transactions to go back to barter of other valuable items? Eg. "I will swap you this $50k car for this $50k bag of diamonds"

I doubt it as the value of cash isn't only the value, but also in liquidity and granularity. Regardless of whether you have a $50k car or diamond, if you want to buy some groceries you're gonna need to liquidate because no one is gonna have a diamond worth $50k - $25 handy.

Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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post #21

Some countries like Denmark (starting 2020) have banned paying with the 500 Euro bank note. It's also no longer printed, but some 600 million of them still exist. I've seen a documentary where (I think it was Swedish police) would like to ban 200 Euro notes as well.

Are Euros accepted in Denmark when the currency is the krone? I recognise that Denmark is part of the EU, but it has an opt-out for the Euro. Is it standard practice to accept Euros in general, be it 500 Euros or less in parts of the EU that have not adopted the Euro (eg. Sweden, Romania, the Czech Republic, etc.)?

Literally accepted nowhere in Denmark except the most touristy for tourist traps, money exchange places, and the bank to exchange into DKK.

Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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The maximum limit for cash payments in Italy is 1000€, so 3k would still be a lot. Why would someone need to pay for 10k in cash? Where does that cash come from? 60% of the times, it's money laundering every time. edit: I suppose since I'm in EU and I'm only 30 I'm "used" to the 1k limit, while non-EU (or specifically USA) people might be grabbing their pitchforks.

How do people buy used cars? Besides crypto, I don’t know of any non-cash payment method that isn’t prone to fraud, overdraft, or transaction cancellation/reversal in the United States and many sellers on Craigslist etc will only take cash

Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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Nice to see that there's no limit where I live which is Norway. Hopefully, there are no plans to introduce one.

The libertarian-minded tend to think that this kind of freedom is necessary to prevent government overreach and oppression, but in reality the bulk of the people making large cash transactions are either avoiding taxes (ripping off you, the taxpayer) or participating in organized crime (human trafficking, weapons/drugs/counterfeit black markets, etc). I would also argue that the only people making cash transactions t…

The same could be said about encryption.

Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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I am confused by your post. What are some good reasons to allow cash payments above 3000 EUR?

I'm not a european but I do have an example. A few years back I purchased a project car in cash. I don't carry checks, who does anymore? And my bank would have given me grief trying to transfer an amount that large at once. I had tried before and it would trigger their fraud detection and give me headaches. Its good its there but can be a barrier when I'm just trying to buy something. So going to branch and withdrawi…

I'm in Denmark, and the last car I bought was from a private seller on a Sunday, we met at a coffee shop and settled the (large, cars are expensive here) payment via an instant bank transfer that I initiated from my laptop. The money immediately showed in the seller's account and we transferred the title/registration via a government online service (which is free of charge).

Easy as that, no need for checks or cash.

Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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We are turning into a narco state, and that largely runs on cash. I don't think the measures are great or will do much, but the fact that they try to do something about it is understandable. Also I really don't care about cash, I never use cash.

I personally think they should just legalize and regulate a lot of the drugs which would be much more effective. People use drugs anyway, they generally do it in a safe way, it makes no sense to keep it illegal, it leaves the whole market to crime.

Legalize, regulate, and charge fat taxes. The crime problems are a symptom of our ridiculous drug laws. If we don't solve the root issue, measures like these will not change anything.

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