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Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by freediver » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 5:23 PM UTC

unshavedyak wrote: post #160

abtinf wrote: post #105

Every time Kagi comes up, a lot of folks say it is too expensive. That it should be unlimited. That if it was just $x per month, then it would be worth it. That they feel uncomfortable about the limits. I will simply say that I cannot imagine going back to being a “user” of a “search provider” over being a paying Kagi customer. It is the single most critical service I worry about losing. If they octupled the price to…

Sidenote, i'm a very happy $5-10/m Kagi user. However i also happily pay $20-$30/m for ChatGPT or Phind. I hope one day Kagi consumes some of these shares too (to convert my $30 to Phind into $30 for Kagi). That might sound insane, i'd think so too, but FastGPT[1] is pretty damn good. It's not trying to be Phind, but still, quite surprising to me that it exists.

We are gradually rolling out more search assistant features, a large update is coming very soon.

And you can already use many advanced AI features like the ability to summarize results directly in Kagi interface [1].

This is also available as a stand-alone app for example here is the summary of this HN discussion [2].

[1] https://help.kagi.com/kagi/ai/summarize-page.html

[2] https://kagi.com/summarizer/index.html?url=https://news.ycom...

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by fosspowered » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 5:24 PM UTC

One recommendation for Kagi is to also introduce region based pricing. I subscribed, but in my country, the base price is probably too much for most people (that said I doubt the mentality here would increase sales for you so it is not quite a no-brainer).

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by kelvie » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 5:25 PM UTC

fosspowered wrote: post #432

One recommendation for Kagi is to also introduce region based pricing. I subscribed, but in my country, the base price is probably too much for most people (that said I doubt the mentality here would increase sales for you so it is not quite a no-brainer).

I think they're pretty transparent with their pricing, so I'm not entirely sure they can afford region-based pricing until their own costs go down.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by benhurmarcel » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 5:29 PM UTC

OJFord wrote: post #38

sockaddr wrote: post #20

Ok wow, seeing these lists might have just made a customer out of me. I’ve been vaguely aware of Kagi and know the general premise but this made it real.

Similarly, I had no idea about this feature, but I now know I want it... I think I just need it to be cheaper, maybe $5 unlimited (or enough for me, which I think is certainly higher than 300, probably higher than 1000, at least without behaviour change) and I'd be in I assume it's a bit chicken and egg - marginal costs of new customers/extra searches is relatively low, it's the crawling & development/SRE that's expe…

I subscribe to the cheapest plan, and only use Kagi for non-trivial searches. That’s more than enough, I don’t need a paid search engine when I just type a website’s name instead of its url.

I set it up with DDG/Google as default, and for Kagi I start with “k “.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by llbeansandrice » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 5:33 PM UTC

int_19h wrote: post #240

resolutebat wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find the default searches already superior for the sole reason that they're not sold to the highest bidder.

Indeed, the sheer amount of sponsored links on some Google searches is such that you have to scroll a full page down to get to actual results.

Does your browser ad block not get rid of those? I never see sponsored links in Google searches on my laptops

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by danpalmer » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 5:49 PM UTC

VHRanger wrote: post #400

danpalmer wrote: post #365

This seems like a useful feature, but from looking at the data it suggests a strong bias towards a few disciplines. That makes me wonder whether this is just the marketing so far, or a more fundamental limitation on the market that will actually draw value from Kagi. Does Kagi work as a business if it doesn’t grow to millions of users?

> Does Kagi work as a business if it doesn’t grow to millions of users? You're paying for the service. One would hope the unit economics are immediately positive, unlike ad-driven businesses or VC-scale-at-all-cost growth businesses

If they had 1 paying user that's clearly not sufficient to pay for servers and engineers, so at some level this is not accurate. The same is true for ads, but you have the advantage of much wider markets, and in some cases, higher revenue per user compared to paying users.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by WarOnPrivacy » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 6:04 PM UTC

Eisenstein wrote: post #238

WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doxing isn't doxing if it's part of a documentary.

Not sure what you are implying but doxing has a specific meaning.

I'm making an implication about the release of private details in a public forum. Whether the public sees it as good or bad depends on the forum. eg:Pics of their home is bad on social media, good in an expose.

I think it's because we realize that outcome should not be the only thing we value. Intent can heavily impact the benevolence of something.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by Llamamoe » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 6:08 PM UTC

freediver wrote: post #24

MrVandemar wrote: post #13

The top-ranked sources really show Kagi's current demographic. It obviously is attractive to programmers and IT professionals. I wonder if they are interested in attracting users with more diverse searching requirements, and if so, how they would be able to actually reach them.

> It obviously is attractive to programmers and IT professionals. I would say this is a blessing as it allows us to focus on things that matter to tech-savvy users (Kagi founder here). > I wonder if they are interested in attracting users with more diverse searching requirements, Yes, we are :) > if so, how they would be able to actually reach them Through our family plan [1], most likely. This is how I got my family…

Hi. Would there be any chance of you releasing the index of how many trackers websites have publicly? I remember reading about that somewhere on your site, but you eventually took that offline.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by WarOnPrivacy » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 6:08 PM UTC

Dah00n wrote: post #304

WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The problem is that their pages exploit a flaw in Google's crawler Not sure it's still a flaw when it's so trivial to derank, Google could manage it on the barest of whims.

Exploit is likely the wrong word as it isn't Pinterest doing something shady. It is more of a Google flaw and I'm sure Google sees it for what it is and hence they don't de-rank a site for doing nothing wrong. But yes, they could fix it. However if it keeps you searching maybe they don't want to.

> Exploit is likely the wrong word as it isn't Pinterest doing something shady. It is more of a Google flaw and I'm sure Google sees it for what it is and hence they don't de-rank a site for doing nothing wrong.

I don't think argument takes exploit off the table. It just doesn't address it. Same thing for Pinterest's shady behavior.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by Joshua-M » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 6:18 PM UTC

S201 wrote: post #182

abtinf wrote: post #95

The single biggest deficiency of Kagi is Apple’s exclusive control over the list of selectable default search providers in iOS Safari. It is infuriating and is the one thing that has caused me to seriously try other browsers on mobile. The problem is, they are all terrible in some small paper cutting ways (including Orion, though that has been rapidly improving).

> The single biggest deficiency of Kagi is Apple’s exclusive control over the list of selectable default search providers in iOS Safari. Seems like a deficiency of Apple products to me. I know it's beating a dead horse, but this is what happens when people willingly buy into a closed system they have no control over.

I use the app xSearch, which lets you use custom search engines with Safari. Once you turn on override mode inside of xSearch, it works perfect. I agree that it’s unfortunate, but for the time being anyone who’s going out of their way to pay for Kagi is someone who will go out of their way to install an app like xSearch. Hopefully we see some improvements from Apple with this