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Re: Reddit appears to be restoring edited/deleted comments

#431

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There is most definitely a cost in preparing the comments I write. I have to pay for my energy, pay for the lost opportunity, and I have to pay to recoup past investments that came together to allow me to formulate the comment. As I find entertainment in writing the comments, I am willing to pay the price, but it absolutely does not come free. Other people don't enter the picture. There is no hate towards them, they…

Then why do you post comments in the first place? It would be easier to write them and then close the tab before hitting the button to post them. If you truly only derive value from writing them and none from anybody reading them. And then it still "costs" you to delete them, by your logic. What is the value you get from that? If it's not from a desire to remove value for others, which you claim it isn't?

I would say that 90% of the entertainment is in formulating the comment. On that front, yes, writing and then closing the tab would be sufficient. However, 10% of the entertainment is in seeing the silly outputs from the forum software after pressing submit.

The forum software which outputs those silly outputs does provide value. For instance, Reddit and I established an agreement where if I pay even more of my time to look at their ads, which gives them value, they will provide me with those silly outputs, which I find valuable. It has been a mutually beneficial trade.

Should the cost of using Reddit go higher, as it seems it will, then the calculator will come out and I will have to determine if the cost is still in line with the benefit. With only 10% of the value coming from there, there isn't a whole lot room for them to play with, especially when you have HN graciously offering essentially the same service for a much lower cost.

Re: Reddit appears to be restoring edited/deleted comments

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Interesting. If it's alright to ask, why do you have this policy? In my case I never delete my posts/comments and always edit with a big "EDIT" disclosure.

A comment’s value rarely outlasts more than 24 hours, if that. Why hoard data?

A couple years ago I came across a deleted Reddit comment[1] and I wished that I could read it so badly I messaged the op and asked him what he said. He didn't remember, and I was hoping so badly it would've been restored after I read this news. Alas, it wasn't.

[1] https://old.reddit.com/r/avoidchineseproducts/comments/eh80f...

Re: Reddit appears to be restoring edited/deleted comments

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Then why do you post comments in the first place? It would be easier to write them and then close the tab before hitting the button to post them. If you truly only derive value from writing them and none from anybody reading them. And then it still "costs" you to delete them, by your logic. What is the value you get from that? If it's not from a desire to remove value for others, which you claim it isn't?

I would say that 90% of the entertainment is in formulating the comment. On that front, yes, writing and then closing the tab would be sufficient. However, 10% of the entertainment is in seeing the silly outputs from the forum software after pressing submit. The forum software which outputs those silly outputs does provide value. For instance, Reddit and I established an agreement where if I pay even more of my time…

OK, so you do post them for the benefit of replies from other people. Other people who are contributing back to you. Makes sense.

I still don't understand why you delete them afterwards when that takes effort. That has a cost, and it negatively impacts others.

Re: Reddit appears to be restoring edited/deleted comments

#436

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I would say that 90% of the entertainment is in formulating the comment. On that front, yes, writing and then closing the tab would be sufficient. However, 10% of the entertainment is in seeing the silly outputs from the forum software after pressing submit. The forum software which outputs those silly outputs does provide value. For instance, Reddit and I established an agreement where if I pay even more of my time…

OK, so you do post them for the benefit of replies from other people. Other people who are contributing back to you. Makes sense. I still don't understand why you delete them afterwards when that takes effort. That has a cost, and it negatively impacts others.

I post for the benefit of the silly outputs produced by their software.

It is quite possible that those outputs originate from people, but there is nothing in the service to indicate that they do come from people. They could just as easily come from a cleverly designed random number generator (think GPT). There is no real way for me to really know for sure, and it really makes no difference so long as I am sufficiently entertained by the silliness of the software outputs.

Such implementation details are well beyond my concern and not a part of the value being exchanged between me and Reddit. As they say in the world of software, "nobody cares that you used language X". While the developers writing the software may find value in "X", it makes no difference to the end user. The same applies here.

Cleaning out your fridge takes effort. I have never been happy any time I have relaxed on those efforts, though. While I am sure there is someone starving in the world that would enjoy the food about to be tossed, that does not provide sufficient reason to hoard that which is past its prime.

Re: Reddit appears to be restoring edited/deleted comments

#437

So I have to go back and check everything I ever deleted? WTF

Probably not. I checked on a post where someone said something really stupid to me and then deleted it after I responded and it’s still deleted. I’m betting this was directed at the people who recently used tools to delete all of their posts.

Edit: On further inspection, maybe so. It’s possible they’re still in process or maybe I had it cached.

Re: Reddit appears to be restoring edited/deleted comments

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Given that Steve (the CEO) has, now or in the past: * edited the content of user comments without acknowledgment, * threatened to or has removed or installed moderators into communities to circumvent the blackout * threatened to "un-private" communities Why are you so sure that he wouldn't authorize un-deletion of comments?

What business value would it provide?

What business value did editing users comments out from under them?

Still happened, though.

Re: Reddit appears to be restoring edited/deleted comments

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Completely restored to the overwritten value you set before deleting, or completely restored to the actual original content as people have speculated could happen?

For my account, it restored to the actual original content, not the overwritten.

Very interesting, thank you!

Re: Reddit appears to be restoring edited/deleted comments

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I've had interviews with programming challenges and they recorded every single keystroke. Not sure how legal that is.

Is there something specific that you think would be illegal? Or just a general sense that keystrokes shouldn't be logged?

Not OP, but i could see hypothetically laws that prevent recording user data unknowingly. The same logic could say that just because i'm running your process does not mean you can monitor all my other processes/keystrokes/network-traffic/etc; could be used (hypothetically!) to say that if it's not obvious the user has submitted data, that you can't record it.

Obviously it gets into the weeds, but where does it stop? Clearly there's some boundaries. If i have an app actively open/selected, what does it have access to?

I could see an argument where if the user didn't think they were sending it, then the user has not acknowledged to transferring "ownership" of data. As nebulous as ownership is in this context, i'm simplifying.

I'm not making any statement here. Just posing a hypothetical to attempt to illustrate where privacy arguments could be made.

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