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Apollo will close down on June 30th

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Post by ericpauley »

elbigbad wrote: post #100
bagels wrote: post #70

I don't have any dogs in this race, but Apollo should be careful about recording calls. Just because he is in a one-party location doesn't mean he hasn't violated the law wherever the other party is if they are in a two-party location and he didn't have consent from the other party.

Just in case anyone sees this and takes it seriously: this is absolutely not now that works.

California courts disagree: https://web.archive.org/web/20060823045528/http://www.courti...

Still looking for precedent on this at the national level, and of course International is another story. I could imagine (IANAL-YMMV) it being further complicated by where Apollo (the business) is legally domiciled.

Re: Apollo will close down on June 30th

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Post by jakkos »

dbbk wrote: post #352
robbiet480 wrote: post #14

I just don’t see Reddit’s response here other than “yes, turns out we are the bad guys who have been continually lying and manipulating the situation for our benefit”. I wonder if they’ll see employees quit over this. How do you trust your employer after this? I bet some subreddits will go permanently private or delete themselves over this. Just absolutely stunning turn of events, massive kudos to Christian for recor…

> Is spez (Steve Huffman, CEO and cofounder) going to lose his job over this? Oh please. Let's be honest, this is not financially going to hurt the company.

It's a large and protracted public backlash and another example of the CEO being incompetent and dishonest right before an IPO.

It would definitely impact my view of the company as an investor.

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Post by timmytokyo »

square_usual wrote: post #16

> Then yesterday, moderators told me they were on a call with CEO Steve Huffman (spez), and he said the following per their transcript: > Steve: "Apollo threatened us, said they’ll “make it easy” if Reddit gave them $10 million." Steve: "This guy behind the scenes is coercing us. He's threatening us." > Wow. Because my memory is that you didn't take it as a threat, and you even apologized profusely when you admitted…

Reddit could have snatched victory from the jaws of defeat simply by purchasing Apollo and making it available as an official app. So many people would have paid a significant monthly fee for an ad-free, quality mobile reddit experience. But no, they had to go full-on maximalist destroy-all-intruders mode, and now they've got an unnecessary PR nightmare on their hands. From the perspective of fiduciary responsibility, reddit is completely deficient. What a bunch of idiots.

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Post by LapsangGuzzler »

durumu wrote: post #351
LapsangGuzzler wrote: post #44

Honestly, I'm surprised that spez kept his job after getting caught modifying user comments straight from the production db[0]. That's who these people are dealing with, to be clear. And now he's accusing Apollo of threatening Reddit? Give me a break. How is this the guy who's gonna lead Reddit to the promised land? 0: https://www.theverge.com/2016/11/23/13739026/reddit-ceo-stev...

I mean that was really stupid of him, but it seems like the kind of thing someone would do impulsively one time and then never again after getting reprimanded. Meanwhile, this API debacle has made me lose all respect for Reddit and its leadership — if everything the Apollo dev is saying is true, this is completely inexcusable. Reddit lied to the faces of the developers who trusted them and depended on them for their…

> I mean that was really stupid of him, but it seems like the kind of thing someone would do impulsively one time and then never again after getting reprimanded.

Only a founder would get reprimanded for manipulating production data, anyone else would get fired on the spot (as they should). I'm not here to argue which action is worse, I'm simply pointing out that this guy clearly has a control issue and poor judgment (which is common among CEO's, granted) and it's been obvious for years. Of course he's gonna distort his reality to suit his needs, that's what these guys do.

People don't learn when they get away with things like this, they just go bigger and crazier.

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Post by mvdtnz »

rednalexa wrote: post #128
falcolas wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "Don't be evil" is simply impossible for large corporations I see Patagonia as the antithesis of this broadly accepted assertion. It's possible, it just takes having a goal for your company that's more than greed.

Isn’t Patagonia privately owned though?

So is Reddit

Re: Apollo will close down on June 30th

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Post by IgorPartola »

robbiet480 wrote: post #14

I just don’t see Reddit’s response here other than “yes, turns out we are the bad guys who have been continually lying and manipulating the situation for our benefit”. I wonder if they’ll see employees quit over this. How do you trust your employer after this? I bet some subreddits will go permanently private or delete themselves over this. Just absolutely stunning turn of events, massive kudos to Christian for recor…

Realistically this is the right time for the large subreddits to move onto a different platform. The moderators and the community ultimately have the power here, not Reddit. And in the sense that those communities are just forums, good old PHPbb could be the answer.

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Post by popey »

koolba wrote: post #48
robbiet480 wrote: post #14

I just don’t see Reddit’s response here other than “yes, turns out we are the bad guys who have been continually lying and manipulating the situation for our benefit”. I wonder if they’ll see employees quit over this. How do you trust your employer after this? I bet some subreddits will go permanently private or delete themselves over this. Just absolutely stunning turn of events, massive kudos to Christian for recor…

> Is spez (Steve Huffman, CEO and cofounder) going to lose his job over this? If spez wasn’t fired on the spot for abusing his power to manually edit posts critical of him, why would you expect them to sack him over something that actually has a legitimate business angle?

He's doing an AMA about the API changes tomorrow. Bring popcorn. https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/144ho2x/join_our_ce...

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Post by auggierose »

Reads to me like this Christian guy asked for 10 mill to shut down his app. Why would they want to pay him that, instead of HIM paying THEM 20 mill? They are happy with him just going away. Sounds to me like a threat without having actually anything in hand to threaten with.
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