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First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by zild3d »

alach11 wrote: post #374
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #364

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Counterpoint, there's always been a desire to have a virtual environment as first shown in 80's sci-fi films like Hackers, Johnny Mnemonic, etc; immerse yourself in a system, have it become like a natural extension of yourself. There was someone on here some time ago who showed and talked about his setup, he had been doing his job as a software developer reclined in VR for years at that point. Here's the thing though…

The killer app for smartphones is being a phone.

that wasn't the reason to get a smartphone over a phone. First killer app was email

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by minton »

andrewstuart wrote: post #68
inconceivable wrote: post #29

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is it really this difficult to project 3-5 years into the future where this thing is cheaper, more powerful, and has an app library ... because all of the actual pros bought the launch model to develop software for it in 2024? then give it a 24-36 app dev cycle and you're going to hit the adoption curve. in about 5 years. this is literally how every single thing has worked in this industry for like 50 years now. are…

>>. am i REALLY that old? am i taking crazy pills? What you are, is snarky. The only times Apple ever did this in the past, the product flopped because it was too expensive. Maybe other companies have been leading with expensive tech waiting for the market to catch up, but Apple hasn't - not since the Lisa anyway. And yes I am on old fogey - ol enough to remember that the industry has been waiting for consumers to "c…

This reminds me of a typical comment during the first Apple Watch release.

- “Too expensive” - “Who is this for?!” - “my $20 watch has 20x battery life” - ”This will obviously flop because no one I know wants to strap a screen to their wrist and carry it around all day” - ...and on and on.

I don’t have a guess as to whether this will flop or succeed, but I’m always amazed at how people are willing to announce publicly with confidence that a product they’ve never used will undoubtedly fail.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by philwelch »

inconceivable wrote: post #29
andrewstuart wrote: post #5

At USD$3500, who is it for? And who will develop software for something with such a small user base?

is it really this difficult to project 3-5 years into the future where this thing is cheaper, more powerful, and has an app library ... because all of the actual pros bought the launch model to develop software for it in 2024? then give it a 24-36 app dev cycle and you're going to hit the adoption curve. in about 5 years. this is literally how every single thing has worked in this industry for like 50 years now. are…

> is it that hard to remember how compact discs, dial-up internet, laptops, multi-CPU/cores, DVDs, mp3 players, broadband, smartphones, bluetooth, wifi, flash, SSDs, GPUs, plasma, lcd, led, smartwatches, EVs took 5-10 years to hit mass market?

Zoomers don’t remember a time before any of those things. Hell, they don’t even remember some of those things.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by happymellon »

andybak wrote: post #397
happymellon wrote: post #217

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I can't imagine how it could possibly be any good for video conferencing. Why don't they just have an iPad and digital avatars? Then you don't need to strap goggles to your head for an identical experience.

You appear to have watched a different product launch to the one I watched. The lack of obvious digital avatars was one of the key points.

https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/5/23750096/apple-vision-pro-...

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by throwanma »

WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #40
GeekyBear wrote: post #6

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It's priced just like Microsoft's Hololens and aimed at the same target audience that the first version of Hololens was: developers and early adopters. The cheaper mass market consumer version comes later. They've been iterating for years now on something in a thick framed glasses form factor, and haven't gotten anything they think is worth shipping so far. https://www.tomsguide.com/news/apple-glasses

But HoloLens has pretty much entirely abandoned the consumer market and is now targeting the lucrative segment of professional usage where there is obvious gain to me made using AR, a segment Apple has always been mostly uninterested in.

Just like windows phone vs iphone?

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by MacsHeadroom »

seydor wrote: post #419
MacsHeadroom wrote: post #389

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Tired of what? I don't understand. I have a very comfortable third-party head strap (BOBOVR M2) and cooling facial interface so I don't really notice that I'm even wearing a headset after a few minutes.

it s heavy but also the eyes get tired. but of course people in their 20s dont get it :)

I'm almost 40.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by gehsty »

matsemann wrote: post #392
gehsty wrote: post #326

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Boring like the iPhone? Sounds awful.

Why not try to understand what I'm saying, instead of being so obnoxiously dismissive? Would you rather: a. wait 5 years for apple to release some functionality in their SDK. or b. wait 3 months for someone to release their own software doing the same? Yes, the iPhone is boring. It's taken a decade to reach its potential, because everything needs to be provided by Apple. Compare to an actual general computing device…

I do understand what you are saying, I just don’t agree.

If it is your expectation that Apple would make an openly hackable headset, I think you have unrealistic expectations, so I find a strange thing to be frustrated about.

As to what is better, open or closed, I think it is very challenging to deliver a complete product in an open way, I can’t think of one successful consumer device that ships in that way.

When I consider privacy and security, the locked down devices Apple create are a positive, especially with a device as personal as a headset with eye tracking etc.

iPhones are not boring, they are used by billions of people to do amazing things every day. Don’t Under estimate the significance of ‘boring’ things like a high quality camera and the ability to share photos easily, Apple Pay / Wallet, and safari in your pocket. It is literally life changing for people, eg grandparents can get daily photos of their grandkids, that is the kind of thing Apple try to do with their devices and services. TBH I don’t know what that ‘boring’ thing is with the Vision Pro, but I’m sure if there’s a future where headsets / glasses are common place Apple will be part of it, and this is the starting point for it.

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Post by dmarcos »

tsojer wrote: post #292
Gareth321 wrote: post #159

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This was a reported rumour prior to the reveal yesterday: no significant use case. This is a significant departure from Apple's usual MO: find a USP and NAIL the implementation. They're using a scattergun approach here and it's risky. They better be sending these headsets free of charge to thousands of studios in the hopes that some of them develop THE killer app, because this is the only way I see this succeeding. E…

I feel like this is the original Apple MO that has worked for them for all their most innovative products. Looking at iMac, iPods, iPhone, Apple watch - it was never a perfectly polished product they were pushing, it was a paradigm shift. When they launched the firs iMac, the paradigm shift was personal computers are for everyone, and belong to every home and should fit into your surroundings. There were a lot of thi…

Difference is that Apple enters categories that have already product-market fit (PCs, MP3 players, laptops, smartphones, fitness trackers). Only exception probably being the iPad. VR doesn’t have product-market fit except for some games genres (driving / flight simulators, rythme / dancing)

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by GeekyBear »

throwanma wrote: post #435
WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #40

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But HoloLens has pretty much entirely abandoned the consumer market and is now targeting the lucrative segment of professional usage where there is obvious gain to me made using AR, a segment Apple has always been mostly uninterested in.

Just like windows phone vs iphone?

It always struck me as insane that Microsoft tried to target Windows Phone at general consumers and not Enterprise users.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by brailsafe »

threeseed wrote: post #50
Laremere wrote: post #45

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Weight placed on the face makes a qualitative difference. More weight means bigger straps and more pressure against the face to keep it there. If the Apple vision is light enough then it might not be an issue, but the size of the strap they're using hints that it's much more significant than most everyday wearable objects.

* Oakley Flight Deck Ski Goggles = 370g * Quest 2 = 503g Apple's headset has no battery and they are pretty good with weight management so likely to be on par with a pair of ski goggles. Which again people typically wear for many days at a time.

Idk if it's accurate to say ppl "typically" wear them for that long. Perhaps occasionally, but not without significant breaks I'd imagine
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